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GEOS Internal Memo: There's No Money Left

Debito has it:

With the absolutely regrettable news of the bankruptcy of Geos Corp, I must tell you that your salaries for the time period between 2010, March 16th to 2010. April 21st Will NOT be paid to you. There isn’t any cash left. We will work on a way for you all to collect some of your money back through the government. We are still unsure of the procedures to do this.

G-Education has offered to take over the Geos Corporate sales Division and resume all corporate class operations from the May 6th 2010. However it will be under the new payroll system as follows:

  • All previously negotiated hourly/rates between the GCI and part-time teachers will remain in effect.
  • New Payment period will be as follows: For work done between 5/1 and 5/31+ transportation expenses will be paid on 6/21. For work done between 6/1 and 6/30+ transportation expenses will be paid on 7/20. etc.
  • Paydays will now be on the 20th of the month or previous business day should the 20th of the month fall on Nat. Holiday or weekend.

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Uh-oh. No pay. This will not end well.

Don't worry, the collapse of GEOS Australia doesn't affect operations in Japan
Don't worry, the collapse of GEOS Australia has no effect on operations in Japan.

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So. No money from March 16th to April 21st.
Reduced salary on May 20th because of Golden week.
Chance of a full salary on 20th June.

Contract expires in July, then absolutely anything could happen to you. (transfer / take massive pay cut or leave..)

Not sure but this sounds like it only applies to GCI. For those who have already signed the new "contract" and if you receive an acknowledgement I think it'll create problems for G.comm seeing as how they already agreed to start salaries from the 16th. Anyways we didn't get this memo so again, not sure if this applies to all schools.

That picture is priceless. So perfect for GEOS! Laughed my ass off when that guy said "no-ting wrong ear? Baghdad nor-mal..." Ha, ha! And the tanks and planess had encircled the city and were actually caught in the background. Funny stuff.

Yes, it is DEFINITELY Mr. K...Speaking of which, any word fromt that guy? Hiding in his ho lair in Switzerland?

This only applies to teachers working for GCI. Teachers who did corporate classes worked part time and weren't enrolled in unemployment insurance.

It's all bit of a shame because GCI were all right to work for, and they've lost a lost of business through all this.

I can't believe that people are surprised about this!

I worked for both old-Nova and G. Communication. First off, GEOS teachers are in a harsh position. G. Com is a company that is dark and opaque, and make false promises. Some of you might remember when old-Nova went under and G. Com stepped in and promised to hire ALL of the old-NOVA teachers back in November 2007 and offered all old-Nova teachers option A and B (search the archives or google for more information about option A and B), but started to rescind offers of employment on December 24th and 25th 2007 telling teachers they were no longer needed...almost 50% got cut and had offers of employment yanked without any warning at all. When I heard G. Com. would hire all GEOS teachers...that reminded me of the bait and switch and BS that G. Com pulled on old-Nova teachers. They are making all these promises to GEOS teachers so they dont run off and G. Com has to hire and train new GEOS teachers...a system they dont know anything about yet. They are just containing the mess right now...but once the picture is more clear...expect alot of GEOS teachers to get axed in the near future.

With G. Com. taking over GEOS and promising to keep the GEOS name and such...I can gaurantee you that G. Com will be making some major changes to the system you GEOS teachers were used too. GOES will probably retain the books and teaching methods that are unique to GEOS, but the management style and teacher schedules and such will mirror that of NOVA schools. GEOS was badly run and highly inefficient and G. Com is really good at making a profit at the expense of its staff, teachers and students...and they will cut costs to the bone and maximize efficiency (the japanese style efficiency). The days of sitting around at a GEOS school all afternoon waiting until 5pm to start a class is over. Your schedules will be tight and compact as possible and no room for free time. If your students dont show up for class or cancel a class...you will be given two choices...take an unpaid break or do some office work or work the school manager gives you to do. G. Com LOVES tissues...so you will be folding paper advertisements and stuffing them into tissue packs and passing them out at the station or on the corner. The JET teachers at GEOS will be history...eventually...at NOVA native teachers teach all levels of classes and G. Com wont need JETS.

I gaurantee you that the majority of GEOS schools will be franchised out to local owners, and the days of having Sunday off and national holidays off are OVER for GEOS teachers....thats the same for NOVA teachers as G. Com wants to maximize its profits and students are off on Sunday and off during holidays and they will come to school on those days..so the teachers have to be there...no exceptions...EVER. The majority of G. Com NOVA schools are franchised out to local owners....if you work for a franchise, your working conditions will vary greatly. I worked for both...a G. Com owned NOVA school and a franchised NOVA...and the working conditions and pay were different. I have heard horror stories and I have heard a few success stories from NOVA franchises...Im sorry I dont want to write about the differences right now to save space and time.

GEOS teachers be prepared to have a very very HARD time using your vacation days....its G. Com policy not to be involved in your vacation requests. YOU the teacher will be responsible for getting other teachers to cover your vacation days...company managment will NOT get involved with it...YOU will have to do ALL the leg work. The problem is...at almost all NOVA schools...teachers usually have just Tuesday and Wednesday off...or Wednesday and Thursday off...so good luck in finding anybody to cover your vacation days beyond 4 days at one time...unless you want to take unpaid holidays. Most teachers I knew got their vacation days on the week before they quit or during the New Year break...so save at least 4 or 5 days of your vacation days to cover December 27th to Jan. 4th (will vary), because you will NOT be paid for these days, as the company will be closed. The company is closed for a week...but you will have your regular two days off, so you need about 5 days of vacation to cover your salary during this time. Also...you will never get a raise or a bonus either.

GEOS teachers be prepared to do alot of traveling, because you will be sent out on help shifts to cover other schools....you will get a help shift schedule every month...dont be surpirsed if you have to travel 1 hour or even 90 minutes one-way to a school...you will be reimbursed for the train fare, but not paid for your time. You ask, "Why do I have to do alot of traveling?"...good question...the answer is simple. G. Com will maximize teacher efficency...and schools that do not turn a big enough profit (or enough students) to pay for a teacher, a manager, and rent will not have a permanent teacher stationed at said school and the school will have a rotation of teachers teaching the classes. Example: I worked at a G. Com NOVA school in Mie prefecture ....we had 5 teachers in February 2008...in February 2009 there were only 2...February 2010 there were ZERO teachers working at this school...why?? Very simple, the school does not make enough money to keep a permanent teacher. The school is still open, but all teachers come from Nagoya or Gifu 5 days a week (the school is closed 2 days a week). If G. Com decides to reduce the number of teachers in a school, they will offer the teacher a position at a different school....most likely in a different prefecture on short notice. Its a take-it or leave-it situation....take the position or dont have a job. I have known some teachers with a family to support to be forced to relocate or be fired. So, GEOS teachers with families...G. Com is NOT family friendly and could care less if relocating causes hardship for you or not. There is a long line of people looking for work and they can easily find someone else.

G. Communication will require you to have insurance...either J-government insurance or travel insurance..no exceptions.

Be prepared to sign the same contracts as NOVA teachers and you will find that you will receive a "regularity bonus" of 25,000yen if you dont miss any days during a pay period...its actually part of your monthly salary, its not a bonus at all...if you miss a day of work...you will be penalized and your regularity bonus is forfeited and a day of wages deducted from your salary...you could easily lose 40,000 yen for one day....so NEVER miss a day of work!! If you are late...you forfeit your regularity pay and a prorated deduction for the time you were late. ITS ILLEGAL and the labor ministry and labor union have both said this activity is illegal, but G. Com has brushed it off.
You will NEVER feel comfortable working under G. Com...I gaurantee it. You will feel a dark and heavy cloud above you and the feeling you could be screwed over at a moments notice. G. Com has no problem breaking its contracts with its teachers and students...this company will lie its ass off to make a dollar. I could go on and on about G. Com, but I think I covered the main points that are waiting for GEOS teachers....some points may vary...but not by much.

I also want to note....G. Com`s core business is food and restaurants and they have a long history of taking over troubled businesses(usually restaurant chains), rehabilitating them and reselling them as franchises. We are seeing this played out with GEOS at the moment.

Just remember this...G. Com lies and lies and lies...dont believe a f-ing thing they say. Just do your job and cover your ass

Getting tired of the know it alls,claiming they knew all along,but even more so of the
elements that want to bash English teaching.No industry is perfect and foreigners
accentuating the negative with regards to the unfortunate demise of Geos are weak.
Lives have been turned upside,plans ruined,relationships shaken,yet gaijin are happy to
come here and attempt to ridicule and for what ?
Constructive criticism is always useful,but randomly spouting off destructive comments
for self satisfaction is pathetic.If you had been raised properly.

So - what has happened to the "Nothing to see here"/ "Why would I worry, my salary has never been late"/"Our GEOS branch is business as usual, in fact we are signing up new students" GEOS stalwarts? You know, the ones who always got insanely defensive when posters warned them that their pay may not be through next pay-day - because anyone with an IQ of over 50 could see the writing on the wall for GEOS months ago.

Where are all you guys? That Iraqi Officer photo Shawn posted is pretty much the perfect caricature for all of those guys - good onya Shawn, old mate!

Cheers, Lord Phlegming

So - what has happened to the "Nothing to see here"/ "Why would I worry, my salary has never been late"/"Our GEOS branch is business as usual, in fact we are signing up new students" GEOS stalwarts? You know, the ones who always got insanely defensive when posters warned them that their pay may not be through next pay-day - because anyone with an IQ of over 50 could see the writing on the wall for GEOS months ago.

Where are all you guys? That Iraqi Officer photo Shawn posted is pretty much the perfect caricature for all of those guys - good onya Shawn, old mate!

Cheers, Lord Phlegming

They moved on with their lives, unlike you who is still here with the same old schtick boasting like a snotty-nosed spoiled 4 year old.

Time to move on, idiot. It's over.

How can you write : "They moved on with their lives, unlike you who is still here with the same old schtick boasting like a snotty-nosed spoiled 4 year old. Time to move on, idiot. It's over."
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And your point is ?...... (a.) that those GEOS Managers did not have a life when they were busy reading this site and posting GEOS PR lies????........or ...(b.) they moved on to hurting other human beings in a new arena with their lies and deception.

By the way - nobody mentions GEOS's illegal advertising method. They put hundreds of thousands of GEOS posters on people's properties without their permission. They are like The Mafia. I asked many of my neighbors and students , "Why do you advertise for GEOS? They are not an NPO." Their replies are always , "They just put their posters on my house/my busienss/my storage shed without asking permission. My mother/father doesn't want any trouble, so they just leave it there." And the GEOS postering mafia has been doing that for many MANY years !

Now Head Office is calling teachers that quit to see if they want to return. But do you think we can get our full salary? is the contract only for 3 months like the other teachers? Take it with a grain of wasabi. As there is no such thing. There is no guarantee of the same salary after the 3 months let alone a contract renewal. For teachers that have visa renewals coming up and they are at schools closing/closed find another job asap. Don't expect G.com to renew your visas for closing schools unless you are prepared to relocate. Learn from Nova's bankrupcy.

The GEOS illegal postering team used heavy tape and THUMB TACKS and damaged people's properties across the nation!!!!! I wonder what the GEOS managers would have said if one of those homeowners went to a GEOS school location and said ,"You've been putting your TRIPLE Posters on my home for years and damaging the wall. May I put my business's poster on your wall? Is it OK if I put my company's flyers on your reception desk or window sill ?"

They moved on with their lives, unlike you who is still here with the same old schtick boasting like a snotty-nosed spoiled 4 year old.

Time to move on, idiot. It's over.

Obviously YOU haven't gotten over it, since you are trolling on here...

Grow up, GEOS stooge.

To the people who posted about the demise to the chagrin if the GEOS managers on here trying to refute/ berate you...Good for you! YOU were write. But what can you expect from GEOS managers/ HO staff/ used car dealers?

Obviously YOU haven't gotten over it, since you are trolling on here...

Grow up, GEOS stooge.

Uh, yeaahhh..... everyone who says something you don't like MUST be a Geos "stooge".

Guess what? It's still over, moron. Time to move on.

The GEOS illegal postering team used heavy tape and THUMB TACKS and damaged people's properties across the nation!!!!! I wonder what the GEOS managers would have said if one of those homeowners went to a GEOS school location and said ,"You've been putting your TRIPLE Posters on my home for years and damaging the wall. May I put my business's poster on your wall? Is it OK if I put my company's flyers on your reception desk or window sill ?"

Now you're just pulling random shit out of your ass just for the sake of it.

Managers have to get permission from property owners to put up posters, otherwise they can be fined for fly posting and lose their jobs.

Geos is DEAD. Sooner you clowns realize it the better. Time to move on.

Obviously YOU haven't gotten over it, since you are trolling on here...

Grow up, GEOS stooge.

To the people who posted about the demise to the chagrin if the GEOS managers on here trying to refute/ berate you...Good for you! YOU were write. But what can you expect from GEOS managers/ HO staff/ used car dealers?

how obsessed can you be with geos?

didn't you hear? geos is done and dusted, anyone who gave a fuck is long since gone and the activity on this site is slowly but surely grinding to a halt. now, i have nothing to do with geos but still i think you're pretty ridiculous. do you genuinely think there is even a single "stooge" poster trying to defend a dead, bankrupt company? you need to get it through your head, there is nothing to defend. the fucking company has already gone bankrupt, how can it get any worse than that? how is that even defensible?

let me repeat for you, because you seem a little dull and behind the times: B A N K R U P T

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DEAD. and with that said, i myself am outta here. have fun with your little "stooge" comments. i wonder how long it will take for you to realize that the company is actually fucking gone?

p.s. did you hear? JFK was shot and Neil Armstrong walked on the moon!

bye!

If the letter is real, it is self-contradictory. Bald-faced lies and they don't even care.

"Paydays will now be on the 20th of the month or previous business day should the 20th of the month fall on Nat. Holiday or weekend. "
June 20 is a Sunday
".. For work done between 5/1 and 5/31+ transportation expenses will be paid on 6/21. "

GEOComm sure has a funny definition of "previous business day"
(Though maybe they mean pay will be 6/18, and expenses will be 6/21?.. HAH, yeah, right!)

The full text at debito also has them explaining how the corporate division has always been profitable, so these guys guarantee it won't go bankrupt (and I actually believe them, comparing what they charge corporate clients vs. what they pay teachers, it's so evil it's almost admirable), but even though the division has always been profitable, they won't bother paying the teachers for their March-April work - and have the NERVE to ask the workers to accept that and commit to work for them by May 5!

You'd have to be a fucking idiot to agree to those terms. At the very least say "Yes, I'll keep working if you frikkin PAY me for the work I did." Only desperate people would continue.

And that's what they want, the desperate. If you agree on such short notice, you announce to them that, "Yes, I am so desperate that I will accept not being paid" And just as with G.Com-NOVA
That just guarantees they'll cut pay, make crappier contract terms, have you spending 6+ hours a day unpaid on trains, or maybe just not pay you AGAIN.
The remaining GEOComm corporate teachers MIGHT even get more part time work (from colleagues who have moved on) and see a bigger paycheck, at least for a few weeks, until the corporate customers run out their contracts and then not renew. Then you'll be left with a handful of hours, or maybe even none, and trying to find extra work in July. Good luck.

Run away.
Or better yet, talk privately with your corporate class students and offer to teach for cash, at half the old GEOS price (definitely a boost in pay to you), paid on the day. Look into establishing yourself as a personal corporation for tax reasons (if you plan to still be in Japan next March 15. What is GEOComm gonna do? FIRE you? They screwed you, you can screw them.

You have got ot be the dumbest person I have ever met. Not that. The poster was referencing another poster who they believed was a GEOS stooge on here. You are an absolute moron because you never read the post and knew what they were talking about. Oh, my...

HE WAS SAYING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. Are you on CRACK????? THEY WERE NOT DEFENDING THE COMPANY, in fact quite the opposite. They were calling out a manager who was on here. Hence the "GEOS stooge" reference! Does that sound like someone who is trying to protect the company!?!?!?!?! Oh, my...

Yes, and Uri Carnat is the ultimate GEOS stooge. Amazing when his own employees have to call him out for being on here, trolling.

Dear, Uri: Please keep yourself busy with more productive things, like,...PAYING your employees for their work (including all our overtime), EXPLAINING why you promised us and agents that "Nothing is wrong" in that letter back a few months ago, and maybe GET A LIFE.

@ 3:41

The person was in a conversation with a "GEOS stooge" who was trying to play Internet police. Didn't you read? The person you are calling stupid is NOT backing up GEOS or its managers, who they most obviously derided as "stooges". Dude, please read before you speak.

3:41 is obviously a North American poster given the time they posted. Now I am starting to believe what others said about GEOS North American managers and some staff on here trying to disrupt things.

I agree with the person who posted here at 3:41. There seems to be at least one person (perhaps more) in here who cannot bear to be without GEOS to kick around. What is the preoccupation with a business entity that is dead and gone? Calling every person who does not march lock step with you a "GEOS Stooge" is masturbation of the mind. And the focus on a dead company is a bit like necrophilia. Get a life why don't you?

5:07, 5:10, 5:34, 5:36

All the same guy obsessed with so-called Geos manager 'stooges'. Complete fucking weirdo, give it a rest.

I guess this makes me a 'stooge' too?

One fucking asshole wrote:
."Now you're just pulling random shit out of your ass just for the sake of it.Managers have to get permission from property owners to put up posters, otherwise they can be fined for fly posting and lose their jobs."
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Wow ! This website attracts the worst of the worst ! Whoever wrote that is a MOTHER-FUCKIN-ASSHOLE !! GET THE FUCK OUT OF JAPAN ASSHOLE (if you are still here). I've asked more than twenty property owners over the last ten years why they have GEOS posters on their property and half said that they have no idea. Somebody just puts them there. The other half say that they gave permission for one poster to be put up several years earlier and they keep coming back without greeting or thanking and it went from one poster to three on the same wall. As for the 50% who did not give permission-there house (which they live in) or tool shed or warehouse look very old. The posters are put on there without permission from the owner !! To the asshole who wrote :
"Now you're just pulling random shit out of your ass just for the sake of it.
Managers have to get permission from property owners to put up posters, otherwise they can be fined for fly posting and lose their jobs."
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How the fuck do you know that scumbag? It's not true. First of all -managers don't do it. GEOS was paying people to do it. Secondly, if a property owner complained -they probably called GEOS ,not the police.
If the police ever were called- the poster hanger could say something like, "Oh, I did the wrong house....made a mistake....I guess I was supposed to do the other house."

How the fuck do you know that scumbag? It's not true. First of all -managers don't do it. GEOS was paying people to do it. Secondly, if a property owner complained -they probably called GEOS ,not the police.
If the police ever were called- the poster hanger could say something like, "Oh, I did the wrong house....made a mistake....I guess I was supposed to do the other house."

No, thats wrong. When I worked at GEOS (until November 2009) the school managers were responsible for posting the posters and they had to get permission everytime from the property owner. I saw the map the school manager had in the school with little dots where the posters where posted around town...so the manager could go back and replace the posters with new and updated posters. The manager at my school did get permission to post posters on peoples property, she even had a small book with generic consent forms....which were stamped by property owners every time time she replaced or posted a new poster. The school manager had to post posters on her own time, usually on her only day off of the week. IF someone was paid to post posters...then it came out of that schools budget...but that highly unlikely, considering that schools were having a major difficult time just meeting its rent obligations and copy paper needs....so there would have been ZERO extra money to pay someone to post. Besides, GEOS could get the manager to post for free on her day off...so why pay someone??

If GEOS posters will illegally posted on someones property, the owner would complain and/or would tear it down...not to mention the property owner could have easily got the cops involved for doing that....so, I dont buy the illegal posting comment...never heard of it or seen it. The last thing the manager wanted was angry locals.

You will sometimes see old GEOS posters posted in some places and never removed or replaced with new posters....because the old manager left and did a sloppy job of listing where he/she posted the posters and the new manager would have to start all over again.

To : "Once a GEOS teacher" Sama :
Thank you for that information. I'm the one who posted the first messages on this topic and later I sank to using profanities, vulgar slang (-_-) What you wrote fascinates me. I wonder if things were done that way (as you described) in all prefectures. It is possible that some business owners /homeowners lied to me because they knew that I own a chain of Eikaiwas which is in competition with GEOS. One of my former employees said he did posters for GEOS years ago. They told him, "Just go around and look for posters and take down the old ones and replace them with the new ones". What you wrote about their advertising budget doesn't really apply. I'm talking about the last ten years, not just the last ten weeks. The thing you said about the map is believable. This part, I believe, may be a lie : "she even had a small book with generic consent forms....which were stamped by property owners every time time she replaced or posted a new poster. " First of all I don't even get out a hanko for expensive packages that come by takyubin, kuroneko etc. Also many people told me that they gave permission once 5-10 years earlier and then they were never again spoken to by a GEOS employee or poster hanger. No "Arigatou"s, no "Mou ikkai hatte mo ii desu-ka?" Certainly no money or Japanese sweets or fruit.
Also, I've seen many GEOS posters on abandoned buildings, burnt out (as in there was a fire there) buildings and sheds that were not near anything. Who came out of these sheds and burnt out buildings to put their hanko on the kind GEOS manager's generic consent form?

Maybe you have noticed by now that G-com is keeping you for now because they don't know yet how many students will return. The number of students determines how many teachers are needed. In a couple of months when they get the exact figure, they will start cutting off redundant teachers.

Here's what happens:
Maybe they say, "We don't need you any more," or you might have something unpleasant and uncomfortable, you know harassment to push you out.

One more thing, salary. I know a middle-aged NOVA teacher who eats McDonald's hamburger or some junk food every day to save money. You must be ready for this.

Maybe you have noticed by now that G-com is keeping you for now because they don't know yet how many students will return. The number of students determines how many teachers are needed. In a couple of months when they get the exact figure, they will start cutting off redundant teachers.

Here's what happens:
Maybe they say, "We don't need you any more," or you might have something unpleasant and uncomfortable, you know harassment to push you out.

One more thing, salary. I know a middle-aged NOVA teacher who eats McDonald's hamburger or some junk food every day to save money. You must be ready for this.

You are 100% correct. G. Com is just keeping as many GEOS teachers as possible until they figure out how big of a mess they have and how many teachers they need. I would speculate, that most of the GEOS teachers will get axed or with small number transfering to NOVA or be placed on stand-by for a few months before being cut.

G. Com is not so sly about getting rid of its excess teachers...they just simply close their schedule with a 30 day notice and thats it....no games at all.

Most NOVA teachers eat junk food or trash to save money.

I agree with the person who posted here at 3:41. There seems to be at least one person (perhaps more) in here who cannot bear to be without GEOS to kick around. What is the preoccupation with a business entity that is dead and gone? Calling every person who does not march lock step with you a "GEOS Stooge" is masturbation of the mind. And the focus on a dead company is a bit like necrophilia. Get a life why don't you?

Still hanging on to your GEOS Head Office position "theyeshaveit?" Stooge.

Still hanging on to your GEOS Head Office position "theyeshaveit?" Stooge.

Still hanging on to your position at AEON head office, faggot?

You are clearly some kind of AEON manager stooge.

its not GEOS proper

its GCI - the corporate classes division who only hired free-lancers
from outside of the geos fold

they were a pretty decent bunch by all accounts

I worked for both old-Nova and G. Communication. First off, GEOS teachers are in a harsh position. G. Com is a company that is dark and opaque, and make false promises. Some of you might remember when old-Nova went under and G. Com stepped in and promised to hire ALL of the old-NOVA teachers back in November 2007 and offered all old-Nova teachers option A and B (search the archives or google for more information about option A and B), but started to rescind offers of employment on December 24th and 25th 2007 telling teachers they were no longer needed...almost 50% got cut and had offers of employment yanked without any warning at all. When I heard G. Com. would hire all GEOS teachers...that reminded me of the bait and switch and BS that G. Com pulled on old-Nova teachers. They are making all these promises to GEOS teachers so they dont run off and G. Com has to hire and train new GEOS teachers...a system they dont know anything about yet. They are just containing the mess right now...but once the picture is more clear...expect alot of GEOS teachers to get axed in the near future.

With G. Com. taking over GEOS and promising to keep the GEOS name and such...I can gaurantee you that G. Com will be making some major changes to the system you GEOS teachers were used too. GOES will probably retain the books and teaching methods that are unique to GEOS, but the management style and teacher schedules and such will mirror that of NOVA schools. GEOS was badly run and highly inefficient and G. Com is really good at making a profit at the expense of its staff, teachers and students...and they will cut costs to the bone and maximize efficiency (the japanese style efficiency). The days of sitting around at a GEOS school all afternoon waiting until 5pm to start a class is over. Your schedules will be tight and compact as possible and no room for free time. If your students dont show up for class or cancel a class...you will be given two choices...take an unpaid break or do some office work or work the school manager gives you to do. G. Com LOVES tissues...so you will be folding paper advertisements and stuffing them into tissue packs and passing them out at the station or on the corner. The JET teachers at GEOS will be history...eventually...at NOVA native teachers teach all levels of classes and G. Com wont need JETS.

I gaurantee you that the majority of GEOS schools will be franchised out to local owners, and the days of having Sunday off and national holidays off are OVER for GEOS teachers....thats the same for NOVA teachers as G. Com wants to maximize its profits and students are off on Sunday and off during holidays and they will come to school on those days..so the teachers have to be there...no exceptions...EVER. The majority of G. Com NOVA schools are franchised out to local owners....if you work for a franchise, your working conditions will vary greatly. I worked for both...a G. Com owned NOVA school and a franchised NOVA...and the working conditions and pay were different. I have heard horror stories and I have heard a few success stories from NOVA franchises...Im sorry I dont want to write about the differences right now to save space and time.

GEOS teachers be prepared to have a very very HARD time using your vacation days....its G. Com policy not to be involved in your vacation requests. YOU the teacher will be responsible for getting other teachers to cover your vacation days...company managment will NOT get involved with it...YOU will have to do ALL the leg work. The problem is...at almost all NOVA schools...teachers usually have just Tuesday and Wednesday off...or Wednesday and Thursday off...so good luck in finding anybody to cover your vacation days beyond 4 days at one time...unless you want to take unpaid holidays. Most teachers I knew got their vacation days on the week before they quit or during the New Year break...so save at least 4 or 5 days of your vacation days to cover December 27th to Jan. 4th (will vary), because you will NOT be paid for these days, as the company will be closed. The company is closed for a week...but you will have your regular two days off, so you need about 5 days of vacation to cover your salary during this time. Also...you will never get a raise or a bonus either.

GEOS teachers be prepared to do alot of traveling, because you will be sent out on help shifts to cover other schools....you will get a help shift schedule every month...dont be surpirsed if you have to travel 1 hour or even 90 minutes one-way to a school...you will be reimbursed for the train fare, but not paid for your time. You ask, "Why do I have to do alot of traveling?"...good question...the answer is simple. G. Com will maximize teacher efficency...and schools that do not turn a big enough profit (or enough students) to pay for a teacher, a manager, and rent will not have a permanent teacher stationed at said school and the school will have a rotation of teachers teaching the classes. Example: I worked at a G. Com NOVA school in Mie prefecture ....we had 5 teachers in February 2008...in February 2009 there were only 2...February 2010 there were ZERO teachers working at this school...why?? Very simple, the school does not make enough money to keep a permanent teacher. The school is still open, but all teachers come from Nagoya or Gifu 5 days a week (the school is closed 2 days a week). If G. Com decides to reduce the number of teachers in a school, they will offer the teacher a position at a different school....most likely in a different prefecture on short notice. Its a take-it or leave-it situation....take the position or dont have a job. I have known some teachers with a family to support to be forced to relocate or be fired. So, GEOS teachers with families...G. Com is NOT family friendly and could care less if relocating causes hardship for you or not. There is a long line of people looking for work and they can easily find someone else.

G. Communication will require you to have insurance...either J-government insurance or travel insurance..no exceptions.

Be prepared to sign the same contracts as NOVA teachers and you will find that you will receive a "regularity bonus" of 25,000yen if you dont miss any days during a pay period...its actually part of your monthly salary, its not a bonus at all...if you miss a day of work...you will be penalized and your regularity bonus is forfeited and a day of wages deducted from your salary...you could easily lose 40,000 yen for one day....so NEVER miss a day of work!! If you are late...you forfeit your regularity pay and a prorated deduction for the time you were late. ITS ILLEGAL and the labor ministry and labor union have both said this activity is illegal, but G. Com has brushed it off.
You will NEVER feel comfortable working under G. Com...I gaurantee it. You will feel a dark and heavy cloud above you and the feeling you could be screwed over at a moments notice. G. Com has no problem breaking its contracts with its teachers and students...this company will lie its ass off to make a dollar. I could go on and on about G. Com, but I think I covered the main points that are waiting for GEOS teachers....some points may vary...but not by much.

I also want to note....G. Com`s core business is food and restaurants and they have a long history of taking over troubled businesses(usually restaurant chains), rehabilitating them and reselling them as franchises. We are seeing this played out with GEOS at the moment.

Just remember this...G. Com lies and lies and lies...dont believe a f-ing thing they say. Just do your job and cover your ass

G-Comm has already shown it's true colors. The new contract has changed 3 or 4 times already. First hiring teachers for only 3 months then promising to hire them for the duration of their previous GEOS contract.

You will probably be asked to sign a back-dated contract, which will most certainly affect your unemployment insurance. Why some of you can't hold out for maybe another week for your rishokyhyoushou is beyond me. Be on your way to 3 months of "free money" within a week of getting your paperwork or sit there and work at a shady company and get a full month's salary on June. The choice seems clear.

You would be far better off to get your unemployment insurance and your April salary on your own and totally avoid having anything to do with G-Comm. As the poster above states, they will lie to you and make your life a living hell.

Don't make us say we told you so. Get out while you still can.

A little ray of sunshine in these otherwise gloomy times. I quit GEOS in January, got a new job February, and was pleasantly surprised to see 3 years ( my length of service with the company) worth of bonus deposited into my account in March. I thought it was a mistake, but I guess I paid my dues. Good luck to everybody involved in this mess.

This fourm is going to the dogs. Shawn, cant you delete repeated posts and the Gaijin scum crap is offensive. I would love to meet these people in a dark alley in Osaka and let them shout it out in the street.
but they cant do that because they need the protection of the internet and forums to hide behind. They are a sad bunch.

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"GEOS Montreal Language Academy is looking for an intern (Montreal)

2010-04-26T16:19:31-04:00

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Friends. I really don't know what to say about this!!!!!!! Except that the pay isn't too flash!!!!

Still hanging on to your GEOS Head Office position "theyeshaveit?" Stooge.

To the little wimp slime ball hiding under the cover of anonymity:

Why don't you post under your ID, you little twit? What? You haven't the balls to do that? I agreed with someone in my comment yesterday, and in your feeble mind that makes me a "Head Office Stooge"? Get some education, and try real hard to get your IQ on the left side of the decimal point.

Meanwhile, for your edification, if that is remotely within the realm of possibility, I am not even in the eikaiwa industry in any capacity. As I said, GEOS is DEAD. It was scum, but, clearly you have transcended,with your mindless presumptions, the very essence of SCUM and have taken it to an all-time low.

This fourm is going to the dogs. Shawn, cant you delete repeated posts and the Gaijin scum crap is offensive. I would love to meet these people in a dark alley in Osaka and let them shout it out in the street.
but they cant do that because they need the protection of the internet and forums to hide behind. They are a sad bunch.

Not Stupid, the last time I agreed with someone's post here, th e type of person that you describe called me a "head office stooge".

Now, I agree with your post. Let's see the idiot/s come out of the woodwork again. If the site deteriorates to the point where it is no long a source of information and suggestions. If it descends into a slimy pit of mindless argumentum ad hominem then those who lend the site information, suggestions and a sense of reason will likely disappear from the site.

looking at the above posts, i think this is time to offer thanks to shaun and many of the posters here - my ass is in a lot better health than it would be without you guys!

my visa was due to expire next month. thanks to this site, i learned:
a) i could apply 2 months in advance
b) i would need to play merry hell with head office staff to get the paperwork in a timely manner
c) i had to do both of the above asap because geos was going down fast

acting on that information, i got my visa stamped within 10 days of the bankruptcy. i also have more money saved than i might have, and a number of contingency plans. i also have a fair idea of what to expect from g-com.

so all in all, i have nothing but love for this site. sure, there are are a lot of irritating fuckers - especially those self-righteos pricks who like to pontificate on what makes a "good gaijin" or a "bad gaijin"(perhaps shaun could set up a "philosophy" or "morality" thread for those assholes). and then you have to sift the bullshit from the truth from the more serious posters, but hell - that's an essential skill in any walk of life these days. and there are the gloaters who come on to dis eikaiwa teachers - it doesn't take much imagination to guess how sad their lives are if the only way they can feel good about themselves is coming here to bitch.

so, all in all, this site is good! leave it alone!

Unpaid internship? Yup, those are common at GEOS Montreal under Uri Carnat. And they work them like a dog...Hence why they always leave quickly. Free labour...Slave labour. Typical GEOS style. They do not even have desks for all the FREE interns...

Notice how they haven't found an Academic Coordinator yet for GEOS Montreal? Rumour has it a) no one with any credible experience applies given the sad state of GEOS world wide and b) Uri Carnat cannot pay them!!! Seriously, they are holding off an academic director because they have no money! Kind of like a limousine with no driver...

INSIDE UPDATE

The Japanese Embassy is now worried about Japanese students going to Canada to study at a GEOS school. They are sending letters out to agents requesting "proof" that "things are okay" at GEOS Canada and U.S. locations given the bankruptcy. Looks like they are starting to get nervous that a closure of these schools would bring further negative attention on them form affected students.

What is interesting is the J-government doesn't seem to get a clear position on NA locations from Gcomm. So they have to ask the agents to get some sort of a response from GEOS schools. My source was both Toronto and Vancouver agents...

Unpaid internship? Yup, those are common at GEOS Montreal under Uri Carnat. And they work them like a dog...Hence why they always leave quickly. Free labour...Slave labour. Typical GEOS style. They do not even have desks for all the FREE interns...

I appears that the unpaid interns have long been part of what GEOS does at this time of year. Usually, these interns are college kids. Sometimes they are placed into GEOS by Japanese firms like "Lighthouse" magazine, so they are not always GEOS staff per se. There is nothing unusual about this practice. American firms do it quite often, including education companies like Kaplan. Do they work hard? Yes, they do. But if you are implying that they leave suddenly due to being overworked, the answer is "No". They get placed for limited periods of time on contracts.

Unpaid internship? Yup, those are common at GEOS Montreal under Uri Carnat.

Damn, please shut the fuck up about this Uri Carnat clown already. The guy is obviously a Geos bitch, no need to keep repeating that fucking annoying name over and over and over and over and over and over again. Uri this, Carnat that, Uri Carnat the other, whinge whinge whinge. It seems to be some kind of bizarre obsession of yours.

Who is this obsessed persion with an irrational need to stop the name of Uri Carnat from being broadcast? Why does he or she degenerate into fits of invective every time that name is mentioned?

I want to know more about Uri. How bad is he? What has he done to make himself the object of such passionate controversy? Details please. Lots.

REALLY fucking glad I got out and got my pay up to March 20th paid to me within days of my leaving. And to think they wanted 4 months notice!!!

I gave the standard 2 weeks, right after I got my holidays started that were approved earlier, and am glad I did. Any company that wants more than that can kiss my ass because 2 weeks, maybe a month if they're nice, is all I will ever give ANYONE. If the company has any history of screwing anyone over on pay, ZERO notice will be given. I really don't understand why so many teaching English in Japan don't have enough self respect to do the same. NO company deserves 2 or 4 months notice like this eikaiwa companies are asking for.

I left Japan in 2004 because I could see what was coming even back then. The industry is completely different from what the people who gave me advice said it was. I took advice from people who had worked Eikaiwa in the 1980's.

Has anyone from Uri recently? I think Uri Carnat has gone undercover. If anyone has any information on the great name that is URI URI URI. Mr CARNAT to you... URIIIIIIIII CAAAAAAAAAAARNAT then please pass it on.

A little off topic I know from the descent into chaos but I've heard that ECC will be making a major announcement after golden week about restructuring. Could they be the third Eikaiwa giant to fall?

A little off topic I know from the descent into chaos but I've heard that ECC will be making a major announcement after golden week about restructuring. Could they be the third Eikaiwa giant to fall?

Woohoo!

ECC are a bunch of bitches anyway. Fingers crossed!

Aeon deserve the boot too, simply because that "Shawn" clown who runs this place is obviously pro-Aeon, probably an Aeon teacher.

6:00 Whis is the OBSESSED person who cannot seem to stop responding to those people who talk about Uri. deal with it. No amount of whining and crying from you is going to change things, Uri (guessing by your pathetic attempt to control the board). Haven't you notices your continuous whining is not changing things? Damn, figure it out, man...

To that person, you might have wanted to been on here a while ago...Maybe a few months ago. There were others talking about Uri Carnat, Wendy T., Mike in New York, etc. And almost all came true or is true. So you need to read back a few months...

3:38 Difference...

There is a difference between "unpaid internship" and SLAVE labour. Unpaid internships are designed to give young kids real work experience and opportunities, but NOT to fulfill a current position for free. In Canada they are cracking down on companies like GEOS who misinterpret (to put it lightly) what is an internship. GEOS is just one of the companies that abuses the term "internship" and instead .

The problem with what I have heard at GEOS Canada is they go out of there way to fill what should be normal, paid staff positions with "interns." The interns are not learning from experienced workers in the same position, but instead are just filling positions. This goes against what constitutes an intern under Canadian employment rules and is something that could be challenged with the appropriate agency if someone wanted to. Of course it is the sign of a desperate company when half your office staff are interns and you delay hiring academic coordinators to save a few bucks...Trying to save every last penny.

8:21

There is always more that could be exposed about Uri on these boards (and is tempting given Uri's obvious postings on here).While I have been only a passive observer to all that has transpired on these boards in the last few days, well, let's just say a few inappropriate things could be brought up about the little Special K in Canada. Hmmmm.

I saw a press release of some sort today saying that GEOS NA is in the hands of an independent trustee who will seek to find a buyer. With staff chaos (They should be demanding wages in advance) student refund requests (What student with half a brain wouldn't be demanding full money back or causing a fuss) and a brand associated with lies and cheating - surely the situation will deteriorate daily.
With the need to put quite a few millions of fees in advance in, what buyer in their right mind would do that?

Press release from where? Link or copy text please.

Audrey at GEOS Montreal? It is amazing the smack Audrey talks about her employer at parties with students. Amazing what you can learn about GEOS when there employees drink way too much.

It explains the confusion on here with postings as Gai Jin Pot site posting are re-directed here.

GEOS NA in hands of trustee for sale news. Proof? Unfortunately I saw this on an iphone of a media person - he / she commented on it and I sighted it. Can't prove it to you, but if you think about it it is completely predictable - that is what the receivers would try and do. i predict it will be confirmed more factually within a few days (Following the Letsjapan pattern of the last 6 months. NA staff canask their managers on Monday.

Audrey at GEOS Montreal? It is amazing the smack Audrey talks about her employer at parties with students. Amazing what you can learn about GEOS when there employees drink way too much.

URI CARNAT AND RITA CHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is Uri Carnat and Rita Chen? Was on here a few months ago and saw about that Uri guy (I think it is a guy, no?). Anyway, there was a lot more posted about him then and it did not seem nice.

Thought for the day: lost credibility.

Agreed!!!

Across the Pacific we go on our exciting GEOS fuelled excursions and we find that -

The GEOS CPhilippines web address:

www.geosphi.com

now redirects to:

http://glos.asia/

and an EL outfit by the name of Global Logos (yup...GLOS)

Not clear if it just a phone based school or not to me (my Korean is minimal!). The phone contact for GLOS is the same as GEOS Cebu number. Aren't the machinations wonderful!

Woops www.geosphil.com...I got it flippin' wrong!

Nice catch...GEOS North America is next.

Uri Carnat is the GEOS North American "boss" when Mike in New York bailed for a competitor. Let's just say you will get to know him more in the coming week. ;-)

Rita Chen is gone...for greener pastures.

Again, Repetative to point of just wasting peoples time or maybe that is the posters intention.
GEOS IS DEAD FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, Repetative to point of just wasting peoples time or maybe that is the posters intention.
GEOS IS DEAD FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You may want to reconsider your posting name.

Wont be changing my name Just waiting for shawn to ban/block you from this site. we dont need screwed up twits on here.

Rita used to always say that she enjoyed working under Uri.

Again, everyone will hear from Uri Carnat soon once Gcomm figures out the Japan mess. I can confirm Rita Chen bailed from the whole shambles in Canada. She definitely did enjoy serving under Uri, even if it was a very low job. ;-)

GEOS Canada is definitely dead and also many GEOS U.S. schools. 7:49 you should know that GEOS Canada is one of the most incompetent and screwed up organizations out there. Look for an announcement sometime soon. I would never hire a manager from that outfit if I had a company.

7:49 "repetative"? You are obviously not very smart. Must be a GEOS Canada manager. ;-)

20:57

She must have been laying down because we all know how low Uri can go. ;-)

GEOS SALE

ALERT!: It is now making news that GEOS Canada and USA is officially up for sale!

Google Translation here:

GEOS Language Centre were presented from the United States.

NY In an email from the principal of GEOS There was a presentation on the operation of the future, let me introduce bon appétit.

ジオスのノースアメリカより公式の発表によりますと、 According to an official announcement from North America GEOS
ノースアメリカの学校は日本のジオスとは別の会社で運営していく事になる為、 GEOS schools in Japan and North America because it will be operated by another company,
通常の運営には変化はございません 。 There is no change in normal operation.
とのことです。 It was said.

Announcement from GEOS New York Corporation (GEOS USA) and GEOS Language Corporation (GEOS Canada) Announcement from GEOS New York Corporation (GEOS USA) and GEOS Language Corporation (GEOS Canada)

GEOS Corporation in Japan recently filed for bankruptcy, with some of its assets taken over by G Communications, a separate Japanese company, and some of its assets being currently held by a court-appointed trustee. a separate Japanese company.

The ownership of the shares of the company in North America is currently held by a court-appointed trustee awaiting sale.

There has been no change in the legal or operating status of the companies in Canada and the United States,and we look forward to a rapid sale and to continuing to provide excellent services to our students and partners.

Please visit this link for more info:

http://nyryugaku.exblog.jp/

Bye, bye Uri Carnat and the clan of GEOS NA.

Sale news a couple of days ago. THis was the media release I saw second hand from a media person. Lets Japan gets it right again. I still have trouble seeing how anyone rational would like to buy it and the clock is ticking as the risk grows by the day.

Just ignore the GEOS Montreal manager that is trying to disrupt the SALE news on here by writing his name over and over. Yup, Uri is not in power anymore (say hello to TRUSTEE) so he is a little immature these days and has a lot of time on his hands... ;-)

Thanks the person who posted the "media release on the phone" you saw. You were first, but this latest post confirms and elaborates on it a little. Do you know where the actual media release is posted? Interesting enough GEOS NA did not post it on any of their business-agent sites. I guess they are little embarrassed that once again LetsJapan was right.

Good to see the posting above confirming that GEOS Canada and USA is officially. Confirmed many of our suspicions and at least one posting a few days ago, despite the GEOS NA managers on here doing their typical thing.

a) Do not expect any buyers, but you might see it bought piecemeal. Vancouver, Boston for students, maybe, but definitely not the NA chain of schools. GEOS Calgary and Toronto are dead, as well as several U.S. schools.

b) Kusunoki bled GEOS Canada accounts last year (see above). Remember the $12,000+ CDN funneled to Turkey? Yup, that would be from GEOS Montreal in June 2009 from the infamous Uri Carnat several people post about on here. So who would want to buy it?

c) Damaged goods, as we all know...Agents have no interest in GEOS Canada, GEOS US only a bit better. Students know.

I would also like an official link? Anyone know? And who are the trustees (company, firm)?

LOL. What revelations we get here in the blogosphere. Anyone who did not know that GEOS NA was on sale, raise your hand! Come on. We have known this for weeks now. The real news would be that GEOS NA is actually sold, not simply up for sale. Anyone capable of neural synapses knew that.

Now, here is the catch. I explained this three weeks ago. GEOS Canada and GEOS Corp (based in NYC) are separate business entities. In postmortem GEOS there is no single authority in North America that has any influence over the disposition of the two entities. It should be noted that, besides the obvious reasons (an organization with a lot of debts, no money and no brand name equity) there are other significant reason that will likely make any potential buyer think long and hard on this. First, while Canadian schools can most likely be sold (or closed) individually, the same is not true of GEOS Corp (USA). The Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS) has given GEOS Corp (and GEOS Corp alone) the authorization to process I-20 applications for student visas. Therefore, if a buyer were to purchase only one location, that buyer would not inherit the right to accept and process I-20's. Someone could still purchase one location, yes, but that buyer could alone entertain thoughts of providing private/tutorial lessons or classes to students who do not require a student visa. That means the target audience would only be businessmen in the US with business visas in hand, their wives or children and students from countries affored a visa waiver status (for a limited time) by the US government (this status is generally limited to Japan and Western European countries).

Now, if a buyer were considering an ESL school in the US, would he be better off buying an existing school like GEOS, or starting from scratch. Getting the authorization to process I-20s is hard earned and takes at least two years to get. But since a buyer cannot inherit that right from a single GEOS school, I would think that it would be more prudent to start fresh minus the baggage that would come with any former GEOS school.

Whatever the opportunities and choices, it has to happen fast. Some of the GEOS schools in NA are closing in on the end of their leases, so it is either find a buyer or say bye bye.

6:49 LOL.

If you were so in the know, then why did you kn./ Nothing concrete, besides a person claiming to see a "media release" on a phone (Blackberry, perhaps?), was posted on here. Lots of rumours and obviously speculation...Yes, we knew it was coming but nothing was never posted in writing. So if you were so in the know, then where was your post with a link? In fact, where is the actual GEOS NA media release now? Fire up those synapses and get working on finding written information that you can share with everyone, not rhetoric...The person who posted the GEOS NA trustee info actually found something to back up the rumour.

You do have to love how everyone was in the know "before" after something is reported by someone else. ;-)

I can only imagine that the little man in up in GEOS Canada must be driving himself nuts now that he has no power. Say hello to Mr. Trustee, as he/ she is your knew Director of North American Operations. :-)

06:42 poster. If you were in the know, then why did you not post anything like the 05:00 did? Where was your link to the info before? Funny, 05:00 found something more concrete and the announcement only came up officially April 30th. Rumours and speculations aren't hard or necessarily intelligent in nature. Facts/ documents/ official releases are.

I will say that hearing the official news today of GEOS Canada (and U.S.) being one step closer to death brought tears of joy. Thank you to the person who found the info.

To the anonymous one at 6:59. I said that there is no information whatsoever that GEOS NA in whole or in part has been sold. All anyone here in Let's Japan knows, is that the sale and/or closure of GEOS Canada and GEOS USA is inevitable. What I was saying before, however, is that saying that the sale is inevitable in not newsworthy. What would be newsworthy is evidence of a real sale, but there is none to date. The commenter that I was responding to did indeed offer a link. Did you read it? I did and went further than he did and read all the embedded links to Japanese web pages. Again, I found absolutely nothing about any actual sale.

Here is what was said in English at the linked to web page:

There has been no change in the legal or operating status of the companies in Canada and the United States,
and we look forward to a rapid sale and to continuing to provide excellent services to our students and partners.

Whatever the opportunities and choices, it has to happen fast. Some of the GEOS schools in NA are closing in on the end of their leases, so it is either find a buyer or say bye bye.

Can't imagine a building would be too eager to renew a lease now that they are under a trustee.

- GEOS Montreal's lease was up lat September. From my contacts, they signed only an extension.

- GEOS Calgary is waiting for lease to expire. This is the only thing that kept it operating, trying to recoup some costs.

- GEOS NYC moved to one location with extended lease.

- GEOS Toronto lease should be coming up soon.

- Anyone know about GEOS Vancouver and Ottawa? Or Boston, SF, LA schools, Hawaii? Would make it easier to guess.

07:10 Where do you read anyone mentioning a sale? The poster just copied the info about the "wish for a rapid sale"? In fact, no one has said their is a sale imminent, although it is pretty easy to deduce something is coming given the eagerness to offload the NA operations given their state and Gcomm's strategic interest.

At the end of the day, the poster gave something the board did not have before...A clear, written announcement that substantiated the second-hand media release posting form last week. If you have anything to offer concrete, please do so. Otherwise you obviously do not have anymore knowledge or inside info than most of us on here.

How can you people call yourselves teachers? You cannot read English. You cannot spell. Your written communication skills are not even worthy of a job at Mickey Dees.

I am wasting my time here, I suppose. So much for attempts to offer clues to the clueless.

Peace. Out.

I will say that hearing the official news today of GEOS Canada (and U.S.) being one step closer to death brought tears of joy. Thank you to the person who found the info.

I second that. :-)

P.S. Who or what company is the trustee? Out of where? Curious.

@7.14 After reading your sentences, it is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. Go back and read it again!!!

Dumbass, we are not all teachers. Last time I checked there are more than teachers that run or did run GEOS. Hmm, office staff, support staff, outside service providers, etc. Even competitors in the know. You really do not know what is going on in GEOS.

Well, for the first time in a very long time GEOS Montreal did not put out its monthly brochure. This brochure was consistently released either the last day or first day of the month, and was primarily for agents and prospective students. To the uninformed, this might seem trivial. To those who know, this confirms things are shutting down ever so slowly. It was like religion to get this newsletter out at the exact same time every month for the staff involved. Guess they have nothing to say to the world anymore. At least nothing that people will believe...

7:49 I think you meant NEWSLETTER, not brochure.

The last Director of GEOS Gold Coast (A Vietnamese lady) is atempting to re-open the GEOS Gold Coast school under a new name "Gold Coast Learning Centre". Its in the same building with the same Director and probably the same dodgy workings. One day before GEOS Gold Coast shut taking all the student money with it this same exact lady was accepting 8 month enrollments and happily taking the money. I would presume GEOS still has there name on the lease so they have sold to their last director through some shady scheme to cover their own backsides. They also tried this at their Christchurch branch in New Zealand. Same school, same management , new name to slip under the radar and keep operating.

There is no way of knowing what happened to the final days enrollment money. We can only speculate. It woudl be foolish though to presume she did not have any idea that the school was going to close one day before it did. The fact that this GEOS Gold Coast branch went through 3 managers in about 3 months before the end tells us something.

In any event watch out for this lady, looks like she is up to her old tricks and is trying to get new students at present. Avoid like the plague!

That ladies name is Imme Redding and she is from Thailand

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