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Open Thread: GEOS Honolulu No Longer Accepting Enrollments

This was mentioned in comments in a previous thread on GEOS, but the Honolulu school is no longer accepting students. The Honolulu page on GEOS.net looks like this:

When you go to GEOS.net, there is no mention of the Honolulu school anywhere on the page. So, by "no longer accepting enrollments" they mean "closed," right?

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What have you got to say about GEOS Hawaii URI CARNAT? Well URI CARNAT? What have you got to say? Another failure! The net is closing in on you URI CARNAT, and you will soon know exactly what we Aussies had to suffer. You remember that time, don’t you URI CARNAT? Instead of downing tools and making a stand beside your Aussie Comrades, you kissed ASS and feathered your own nest, not a care in the world for the mates you made on all those international conferences, didn’t you? You remember, don’t you, URI CARNAT, our conference in Hawaii, and the bonds and promises made, to stand in unison against the Big Wigs, if and when the brown stuff hit the fan? Well we remember URI CARNAT! We remember! The Shrimps thrown on the Barbie by you will never forget you, URI CARNAT! We fought in Gallipoli and we have never forgotten that, and going forward our gallant and brave ANZAC Aussie spirits will never forget you, URI CARNAT!

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, OII, OII, OII !!!!!!!!!

Thanks for finally putting this up in a new thread, Shawn.

Just to let everyone know, the new January GEOS.net newsletter is out. No talk of Honolulu, so forget ever getting any transparency from GEOS. And it is a rather abbreviated brochure. Maybe because there is not good news and/ or they are scrambling to stem the money flow and another school closing in the next few months.

Uri Carnat: Maybe you should make an official statement on here, under your own name, to dispel some of the rumours on here.

Uri Carnat "promised to fight the bigwigs"??? Ha, ha! Seriously? The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth. He things he is the biggest wig of them all. He is STILL announcing Regional News (see new agent newsletter) as if he is in control of some massive global enterprise. There is only one region in that "global mega house", dear Uri! You must be completely delusional of international global mega-house dominance of the world, eh?

Uri Carnat is a two-faced, scheming, sleazy liar that lied to many of us. Deal with the blowback, lil guy. You deserve it!

I am glad Jenny Nieveen is at least waiting on any deal with GEOS, possibly for a better deal for her. Seriously, I really hope she knows the baggage and animosity, along with backstabbing at the management level, she is going to get if she acquires GEOS. That is in addition to the lack of any brand value in the GEOS name, along with other potential legal liabilities that might erupt if she buys the chain. I really hope she gets a bargain-basement deal, or just walks away and develops her seemingly well-established business herself. The latter is probably a better option, especially given some of the info you see on this board.

Why are the suggested option schools for those who cannot enrol in Hawaii CALGARY, MONTREAL or OTTAWA?!?!?! Convenient, eh? The little guy puts his -20 degree celsius school smack dab in the middle as an "alternative.". Yup, there is a viable replacement to studying in beautiful, sunny Hawaii, where the taxes are lower and you can surf...Smacks of used-car salesmanship, doesn't it? Go, Uri!

Uri or his little comrades (lifer teachers at GEOS) do not answer on the weekend. Uri only uses his IP blocked Internet service to write on here. Just so you all know there will be responses come Monday morning NA time, or possibly on Sunday night after the kiddies go to bed and he is feeling a little frustrated. ;-)

I am glad Jenny Nieveen is at least waiting on any deal with GEOS, possibly for a better deal for her. Seriously, I really hope she knows the baggage and animosity, along with backstabbing at the management level, she is going to get if she acquires GEOS. That is in addition to the lack of any brand value in the GEOS name, along with other potential legal liabilities that might erupt if she buys the chain. I really hope she gets a bargain-basement deal, or just walks away and develops her seemingly well-established business herself.

Maybe the plan is to get the students, the premises and the lesson resources (although I'd leave the textbooks alone if they're the same ones GEOS used in Japan), and then change the name, fire all the teaching staff and bring in new people.

Anyway, no more details on the fate of GEOS Honolulu?

I had a chuckle at that, as well.
"Hey, I know you're in Honolulu, and were wanting to study English, but why don't you pack up and relocate 9+ hours over to the mainland? We have 6 schools you can choose from over there..."
Frakking idjit.

Hey, Jen! In expansion mode. Have a look at Carrick Higher Education here in Oz. 40000 students, 500 staff, English, Bus, IT offereings - all the usual mix.Operates outa Bris, Syd, Adel, Melb. Been hit by down in PR driven os student enrolments. But a outfit with genuine potential and not some small english college outfit somewhere else. $10mil is the injection figure the media is throwing round, Be quick, TAFE Victoria seem to be in the bidding loop. Be Lucky!

Make that 4000 students.

The January 2011 newsletter is the same as the Dec 2010!!!!

It's also interesting to note that they have corrected the title of the "Register' to "Registrar" indicating that this site is well and truly read by Management.

Public relations is the attempt to negate any negative issues surrounding a company. In this regard the RD has failed miserably. He should be putting out releases providing assurances and dealing with all the negatives. IF he claims to be unaware of this site and the the negative comments, then he, as RD, should step down immediately as he has his head buried in the sand and is totally ineffective to hold a position of such seniority.

However, if he is not prepeared to put his name to any releases for fear of liability or knows that any releases would not be truthful then he should step down. Alternatively, he should demand that the owners of GEOS, whoever they are, put out a media release negating these rumours and if they are not prepared to, he should step down.

11:21 He, and his minions, HAVE been on here. They know this site well. I have been saying this all along.

I suggest the RD just step down. He obviously doesnt know how to do a simple managerial responsibility like damage control-PR. Seriously, I suggest just getting rid of the guy and starting fresh. The old way has obviously not worked and is creating even more negative tones towards GEOS.

Oh, and that January newsletter was quite spartan, wasnt it.....Foretelling things to come....

Well given that the current Montreal pepsi has probably cooked it, who in the outfit would be daft enough to stick their mit up for a joe job like that? Meh!

There is absolutely no one with any intellect or proper education and experience who could take over from within Montreal. And who the hell would want to join the shoebox office anyway?

From a photo added December 10, 2010. You can see them packing things up in the background. Sad looking place. They kept things under wrap for a while...2011 brochures, prepared earlier, did not have them listed. Who is next to close?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Geos-Honolulu/100000071975381#!/photo.php...

Love most of the comments above.....so true even if so sad.

yup, noticed the GEOS Montreal school front and center as an alternative. Playing favorites in Montreal? Not to mention the Canadian schools being the first alternatives for Honolulu. You have to kidding, right? I could go to beautiful, sunny Hawaii...oh, wait! No, maybe COLD, boring Calgary or Ottawa could be a great place!?! ;-) Or, -25 and snowy Montreal...That underground city is just soooo awesome. *rolls eyes*

You can tell where the bias lies. Keep notice, other schools......

First choice for the GEOS Hawaii refugees gotta most ricky-tick be Cowtown. How could the Montreal admin folk not be directing their monied-up ex-Hawaii student punters to the delights of Calgary, its Markets, its beef industry, and, hey to the joy of all those conservative Korean Mum's and Dads footing the bill , the possibilty of their girls zooming off to Thursday nights at The Roadhouse. We'll be there waiting for 'em with open arms! Dontcha love it North of the Border, eh?

I would say Calgary is much better off than Toronto. There is the most over-rated city in the world if I ever saw one. At least everyone knows the population and money is heading westward in Canada. Toronto just gets a bunch of ugly, over-priced condos and too many Koreans (for English learning purposes).

11:07 Yes, agreed. But there are MANY much better opportunities in the world for OH. Hence why they never bought GEOS. Waste of time and money. Would just drag down Jenny Nieveen s business.

Why wld JN want to buy the big G? She can make her 7 or 10% just by referring kids to that outfit with no risk. Anybody who really wants the outfit will just wait for the end-of-operation fire sale. Pick up the leases, keep the llords happy...... and a bunch of desks, some crappy CD players, 2 broken Teevs, and a shelf or two of dog-eared texts won't cost the world at auction...hell, the llord might just turn the junk over as a sweetner....and even better, no liabilites like staff holiday pay or stuff like that.....lovely grub, when ya think of it.

One has to wonder why the Uri Carnat guy, who is supposed to be in control of the GEOS mess as some sort of Regional Director (I can't find any other RD in GEOS, though), hasn't come on here to dispel or otherwise refute comments made by people posting. I am not talking about getting into petty arguments or taking potshots at people who might disagree with your management style. But why not post a rebuttal or official statement to clear things up, much like many other companies do, in response to any claims you feel are false, need to be updated, or just put an end to the endless rumour, etc.? Isn't this something any ethical, modern company would do? Or am I asking too much? Because as it stands now, GEOS reputation as a transparent, law-abiding, ethically-run company is basically shot.

Here are the questions I would love clarified, as many others would judging by the conversations on here:

1. What is the status of the Open Hearts deal that Uri Carnat widely reported in the autumn to be pretty much a done deal? Is it dead?

2. Who is funding GEOS right now? Mr. Kusunoki? Others?

3. What is the timeline for GEOS to be sold or otherwise disbanded, reorganized, or other?

4. What are the next schools to close in the GEOS chain, like GEOS Honolulu just folded so secretly?

5. Can you guarantee everyone's job at GEOS schools in NA for the next year at least? See questions #3 and #4.

6. Why not post an official statement outlining the current situation, goals, timelines, etc. to dispel the endless discussion on here and other sites? I would think this would be a much better option than having your GEOS staff post anonymously on here, and would go a long way to contradicting those transparency problems many claim you have.

Of course we could ask more, but that is a start. I encourage anyone, either currently part of GEOS or has knowledge of the ill-fated chain, to join in with their questions and concerns. Hopefully we can actually get something official, in writing, from Uri Carnat himself.

Thanks.

Always glad to give a hand and take the pressure of work off others. So let's have a shot at answering the questions.

1. Dead in the water.
2. He's likely around.
3. When asked, the boss responded, "whats' a time-line?"
4. Looks like 1 LA+Calgary.
5. "Ne soyez pas optomistic, mes enfants. Ce dans l'industrie nord-américaine d'anglais, rien est sûr ou sure. Occupez-vous, mes petits amis." I think that's what the boss said.
6. Nothing the boss says matters.

Meanwhile, if the CRA boys out at Brossard are dusting off a few files......well.........................

Brossard, eh? Ah, you have a friend on this board. ;-) Due indulge in a little more secret-spilling for the masses here...Fun stuff. :-)

Thanks, oldCPA. Exactly my feelings; partly from inside knowledge, partly just from analyzing the situation, comments, leaks, etc.

The only reason I can think Calgary is still open, bleeding money, is because either they have a really long lease obligation and the landlord will not let them out of it or modify it in any way, or the landlord did modify it because he is desperate to keep some tenants in a down market. My assumption is keeping Calgary open allows them to pay their rent (or most of it) versus closing and having the whole following court mess for rent and related expenses owed bring the whole GEOS NA down quicker than it already is. Similar to why companies keep factories open when they can not sell much of a product. There is no other business sense why Calgary should be open, although there is not much "business" sense in the whole GEOS chain. But we all know that story.

If anyone was wondering what happened to all those rude rebuttals on here to anyone who posted anything even slightly negative about GEOS NA...Well, a little meeting was called in Montreal early this week and it seems to be the new strategy is to clamp down on all employee postings, even the RD himself, and wait it out...I guess they are hoping it will all blow over or something. So, no more rude posts, I guess, or other flaming tactics for a while. We will see how long it lasts, though, given the RD's penchant for wanting to control everything in the universe.

I heard this from a current employee. I do NOT work there now (thank the dear lord for that!), but still have my connections for info like this. ;-)

Oh, and they are working late in Montreal posting YouTube videos of their students shitty little "graduation." Still cutting the frame off on purpose so nothing else is seen...Including the lack of students and depressed staff.

Cheers and have a good weekend!

Nah, those videos stopped last year because they have no students to shoot...Check the YouTube dates.

This is FOR REAL. Girlfriend in Vancouver happened to overhear a Skype call (that is what GEOS uses for ALL long-distance calls! to save bucks) that Open Hearts Deal is dead in the water!!! Official, from the big guy from what I heard. They have these calls every week and I guess the Van manager or similar wanted clarification. Supposedly she heard a little bit about the main manager in Canada repeating about the Van manager saying nothing about it anywhere on the Internet, to people who call about it, etc. This would like up well with what has been posted on these boards, so it seems 100% dead in the water, as someone else put it.

GEOS Honolulu closes without warning and Open Hearts dead. Can't give much credit to the future prospect of GEOS NA.

AhSo, the little Japanese admins and their little whispering conversations with little HO on Skype........how we miss them.......what an outfit!

Really? Open Hearts deal dead in the water? I must admit, I am in a complete state of shock, but I am such an idiot, and am so slow on the uptake, I always end up in shock. You see, the entire universe, less a few GEOS burned, bitter, twisted and psychologically scarred lunatics, knew the Open Hearts deal was dead months and months ago. But not me. That's because I am such a dumb ass! Oh well, I try my best.

Yeah, I knew it was dead long time ago because the moron at the helm of GEOS NA could not do anything related to real business if his life depended upon it. He just shot his mouth off all over the language school media universe, proclaiming to be the second-coming with his media-deal-of-a-century. Yup, that happened...Eh?

Hello Everyone,

First of all, congratulations to Shawn on LJ's 10th birthday. This site has been a great place for information to be aired on certain "schools."
It's been a while. The last time I was on here was about a year ago to make various announcements about GEOS Japan. Now, after some credible information I have received from my sources, it's time for another.

Expect a major announcement on the future operations of GEOS NA in the final week of February. And from what I have learnt, there are no potential buyers….About time this saga was brought to an end….
Peace.

Is there any way you can speed the announcement up, Mr Announcer? Anything, to kill the GEOS NA endless crap, would be so deeply appreciated. Can't you talk them into calling it a day, today, instead of the end of the month, for example? Please....

10:13 Sounds a little fishy...We all know GEOS NA is horribly run and losing money at most locations. But this post does not match the others a long time ago, nor is it backed up anything at all.

I do not take much from it until something more is said.

What you going to do when it is all over? No more GEOS NA to whine about! Sell Hot Dogs perhaps? Pfft!

I am not whining at all...And I do not believe in the post about a "big announcement" at the end of February much.

I, nor 90% of the people on here, am not going to whine at all if and when GEOS bites the dust finally....More like celebrate when it does come to a finish! Are you going to cry knowing you now have to get a REAL job?

Here is something to think about...

- which GEOS NA school newsletter are missing for January 2011, or very minimal like Vancouver's?

- Why are there only THREE staff members now listed at GEOS San Fran?

- turnover continues at key positions at most schools (San Fran and New York are just some)...

- Another school is on the brink and being artificially supported by the others much the way GEOS NA funneled money to Japan earler. Can't last forever, especially when the ones giving the money do not have much of their own.

- Japanese staff make excellent gossip sources. ;-)

Cheers!

16:41 those points are all very well, but you didn't actually post anything at all. Anyone can make up that kind of non-specific baseless junk.

- A number of students at a certain school quit last week

- The posters in the schools haven't been changed for the past 3 months

- Word is that a teacher who has been with the school for several years is going to quit

See how easy that was? I just made all of those up off the top of my head. Much like you.

Oh, GEOS Japanese staff members (has to be one at every GEOS location) do have their own loyalties and sometimes act like a cult. They will smile and nod to their dear old bosses/ school managers/ RDs, but they also love to talk behind their backs in typical Japanese style. They have "wonderful" conversations with each other about the state of GEOS, their bosses incompetence, etc. Of course, only those who can actually speak Japanese (sorry to 99.9% of the managers at GEOS NA), can actually understand what is being said behind the scenes. Oh, the stories that could be told.

What a wonderful GEOS world it is, eh?! :-)

It is quite plausible that GEOS NA, upon entering bankruptcy about a year ago, was given one year to "fix things" or sell itself. We all know that GEOS NA has failed measurably under the current management and no buyers are even coming close to save them. While I am not so sure about the "big announcement" at the end of February, business sense tells me the clock is ticking louder as we hit that one-year "anniversary."

Any thoughts?

Boys and Girls, if you go onto a certain OHglobal.com site you will see that for "English Courses", the only GEOS LA school being offered is GEOS Torrance, a.k.a. GEOS South Bay. Now, isn't that a little strange given all the great merger and acquisition stuff we heard about recently with OH? And especially since every other GEOS location in North America is listed, isn't a little telling when GEOS Costa Mesa is not? Oh, and GEOS Honolulu is also missing, but we all know the fate of that school.

I have always said two schools in LA cannot survive. And I also said, as some others did on here, that GEOS Torrance, renamed "South Bay" to sound cooler, is the one to remain. The OH site just confirms this. Bye, bye, GEOS Costs Mesa. When your parent company won't even offer you for promotion on a large agent site, you know your fate.

Ummm, I think you don't get it. GEOS NA is finished and is going to make an announcement to that effect Month's End. What I want to know, is what are you going to do next, you GEOS NA obsessed whacky doo doo nut job. All your piddling in here amounts to nothing. We, IN THE KNOW, knew what was going to happen, all along, with or without your endless ranting. The local retard knew. Everyone knew, accept you.

Yup, you "knew"...So where were all your clear predictions, right down to every date and detail? Yup, you know soooo much. *rolls eyes*

So, what will be the official announcement at month\s end? What date exactly? How will they close...slowly, one-by-one or all at once? Who currently runs the operations? Etc, etc. Fill us in master...Tell us more.

Obviously, for your lack of any concrete posting details on here, you do not know much. Still do not believe the month;s end announcement until I hear more details to support it. Obviously, you do not have those details...

"accept you"? Damn, you must be a current GEOS teacher.

Ummm, I think you would do better to spend your time thinking about what you are going to do, after GEOS NA is gone (in the official sense, that is), and how you are going to productively fill the time, that you currently spend in here, ranting and raving, like a spastic, when she all blows up month's end. Yup, that's right, that big empty feeling is coming your way like an out of control freight train. Be smart, and make plans, instead of mouthing off in here. Have a think about it. Using your brain won't hurt you. Don't live in fear. Embrace life.

You are so funny! You actually a) think it is one person in here and b) think I (or others) will be upset when it blows up, as you say????!!!!

I WILL CELEBRATE WHEN IT BLOWS UP, FINALLY! Seriously, I will uncork some champagne and run around the streets naked!!! Whooo-hah! Yippee! I can't wait...The party will only just have begun. Of course, I will not need to be in here anymore (nor probably will others, too).

Until that time comes, if it does as you proclaim with absolutely no fact whatsoever to support it, I will just have to keep posting in here...Still waiting on some resemblance of fact to support your month-end claim, though. Heck, I might even FedEx you a nice little gift if you can confirm this exciting rumour!

:-)

P.S. Again, I really hope the end of February IS death's door fro GEOS NA. But I just haven't heard anything to support it (i.e., accounting records, e-mail leaks, official statements, other) to support it.

P.S.S. Forget naked, might have put on a Grim Reaper outfit and go to Sherbrooke Street in Montreal and do a little dance. ;-)

I second that.........Until you give us some sort of proof what you say is true, Clear Voice of Reason, I will just chalk up what you say to the unfounded or unsupported rumor on here.

If it is true, you absolutely could provide proof without giving away who you are. And I will tell you, you do not at all sound like the person who posted about the demise of GEOS into bankruptcy and was right. The cockiness is only one thing that gave you away.

Ummm, haven't you nerds got anything else better to do with your time? Dance in the Street Naked? What the? Look, dunno if you are IN THE KNOW, but she's all over red rover. Pssst! Come closer. Do yourself a favour, and have a little dance now, and get on with your life, because month's end, there is an announcement comin', and you're going to have a hell of a lot of spare time on your hands. Pssst again! Even closer now. Seriously, get crackin', cause you is a ranting and a raving about a shipwreck, that those IN THE KNOW (meaning, people with half a brain), understand sunk one hell of a time ago. Don't be afraid. Walk out of the shadows of GEOS NA, and embrace life. It won't hurt you.

Still waiting on some HARD evidence or knowledge that would back up your enthusiasm, CVoR. I also do not work at GEOS, nor do I want to see GEOS around anymore, but you have to give us something or people will not believe you. End of story.

oldCPA, what do you think of GEOS Costa Mesa being the only GEOS school not listed on OHglobal site? Going, going, gone?

I can't wait for oldCPA's update. Holding my breath. Glued to my seat, with excitement and anticipation, you boring nerd.

And while you are waiting, maybe you can throw out some hard evidence of that month-end claim...You can bet I am not holding my breath.

I do know that Uri Carnat is going to screw over his staff at GEOS Costa Mesa and GEOS Calgary soon by not announcing the closure of their schools until well after the decision is made (or has been made...wink). Typical his style.

Looks like our friendly neighbourhood troll is on here again, posting away about GEOS NA, something which he is entirely unconnected with, and knows nothing about.

Just watch the replies to this.....

Clear Voice of Reason disappears, Marell Cook shows up...Hmmm...

Seriously, if you hadn't noticed nobody was talking about that particular U.C. guy Marell is so obsessed with being posted on here until Clear Voice of Reason trolled his way around on here. It seems whomever posted this person's name did so just to ruffle a few feathers on here....And it worked!

To the other trolls, your whining and bitching about people who talk about Uri only brings MORE responses about him. Haven't you picked up on that already? How long will it take you to realize that crying about this guy's name on here like little babies will only bring more postings about him??? Seriously, are you that inept? Ignore! The more you cry about his name showing up on here and Google, the more people post about him on here. Geez! This kind of thing usually happens when there are a lot of disaffected employees under a person like him....From what I read he seems to be all-controlling, so this board is a way fro GEOS NA employees and ex-employees to vent that anger and gain a little control back. Hence the insistent posts. Too bad the person who is so worried about Uri Carnat's name being dragged through the mud on here can't seem to figure it out! Are you really that stupid?

This is a thread about GEOS NA, morons, so if you do not like info being posted about GEOS NA and its sad groupt of staff members, then get out of here! Nobody is forcing you to read this!

You gotta love how Clear Voice of Reason, even after repeated requests by people on this forum, completely ignores any requests for factual evidence to support his claim. Yup, good one, CVR! It is so obvious when you ignore every time. Why not address it when several people ask? Obviously you are full of sh*t.

The January 2011 newsletter is the same as the Dec 2010!!!!

It's also interesting to note that they have corrected the title of the "Register' to "Registrar" indicating that this site is well and truly read by Management.

Public relations is the attempt to negate any negative issues surrounding a company. In this regard the RD has failed miserably. He should be putting out releases providing assurances and dealing with all the negatives. IF he claims to be unaware of this site and the the negative comments, then he, as RD, should step down immediately as he has his head buried in the sand and is totally ineffective to hold a position of such seniority.

However, if he is not prepared to put his name to any releases for fear of liability or knows that any releases would not be truthful then he should step down. Alternatively, he should demand that the owners of GEOS, whoever they are, put out a media release negating these rumours and if they are not prepared to, he should step down.

This is one of the better posts on this thread. And absolutely true. But never e

I would add that GEOS school newsletters are starting to slip....Less and less released over the last few months, even when it is the slow winter season which should provide more time to write and market things. GEOS Honolulu's closure was very secretive and we have never even seen a news release on GEOS.net. Obviously, this wasn't part of the proper strategic direction/ plan of the company. GEOS LA - Torrance/ "South Bay" is the only one not being listed on OH agent Web site. All GEOS schools except that one (and Hawaii), well, you do the math. If I worked there right now I would be looking for another job. Calgary's lease issue will be up soon....Enough said.

Cheers!

Well, the admins are always talking behind the backs of management. I have heard a couple of juicy tidbit, which I will share as soon as I confirm a couple of details. Poor GEOS NA looks to be going down the drain fast than wanted by management, and you are absolutely correct in saying their is NO Open Hearts deal. Done and over with.

Oh, we all knew Mr. X would show up bitching and moaning....Slowly we can pry away the real agenda and connections out there. Amazing how only certain posts throw someone onto a tizzy.

Time to drop more names and dirty deeds done by them. Only truly innocent, moral, and ethical people have nothing to worry about. I guess that disqualifies most of GEOS NA management.

Actually, I am going to focus you boys on who and what you should be talking about that relates to the sudden closing

First, GEOS NA staff that are connected Honolulu-type decision...

- Uri Carnat - obvious and we all know his game/

- Mathew Chisholm - get to know this name. There is a reason that little Victoria, B.C. school he heads has not met the same fate as Honolulu. When GEOS Vancouver shot Uri down over demands for privately held accounting data from the Japanese accountant in Vancouver (Uri lost his VP title because of it!), Uri went straight to geographically close Victoria and kissed up to a new buddy to assemble a little counter-assault/ payback.

- Nial Campbell - Uri's lackey, puppet, who owes Uri his job do to a little e-mail account leak back some time ago that we all witnessed. Then, again, GEOS Ottawa under Martha Munroe was the only school actually making money in the GEOS NA chain!

- Matt Darr - he jumps around for Uri on a whim. If he moves again, this means that school is a target for closure. ***cough, cough***

More next time. Smile everyone!

All we have is cut and pastes of general advertising material, most of it very old, from GEOS websites, and personal comments about GEOS staff members people don't like.

Does anyone have any real information?

I think it is established, that GEOS advertising is exaggerated. What a surprise.

Anything else of substance out there?

Any posts that may assist GEOS employees if and when the doors slam shut (month's end is the forecast), would be appreciated.

There are people working for GEOS, with families and mortgages, and single folk, struggling to pay of College fees, who would appreciate positive input and feedback.

The endless website cut and pastes and defamatory comments about staff members don't help them.

Oh, we all knew Mr. X would show up bitching and moaning....Slowly we can pry away the real agenda and connections out there. Amazing how only certain posts throw someone onto a tizzy.

It makes no difference to me what you want to say about GEOS and how bad its bosses are. You're probably right. I put that in italics and bold in case I didn't make my meaning clear and simple enough for you to understand, or perhaps you'd just prefer to go on thinking that everyone who wants to disagree with anything you say is a GEOS management stooge. I'm sure you feel it's a great way to justify whatever garbage you want to post. Well, I wouldn't ever have anything to do with GEOS - apart from one or two of its teachers I met who seemed relatively normal, it looks like a cult for weird, fucked-up people and I imagine the higher up you go in the hierarchy the more weird and fucked-up they get. They deserved to fail in Japan, and they probably deserve to fail everywhere else too.

But that's beside the point. Criticising someone's professional conduct and management decisions is one thing. Malicious shit-stirring about who he might or might not be sleeping with is totally different, and it makes all English teachers look like two-faced, worthless ass-holes by association with the people doing it, no matter how hard you try to justify yourselves.

Clear Voice of Reason:

You talk about others postings not providing any proof but you do not either. I am being serious and not in the least sarcastic. If GEOS does close at month's end, as you have so many times spouted on here it will, then why not provide even the slightest of proof? My future depends on this impending announcement, as you put it. But every time someone calls you out on here to provide proof, and rightly so, you ignore them. You go on about other people just cutting and pasting or not providing any support to their statements, but you make no effort to prove your comments at all. Why? Why ignore every time someone asks you for even the slightest fact to back it up, especially with all the rumor on here?

Hopefully we will get a productive and honest answer back, and not some troll-type answer. Please help me and my colleagues, because we do care about our futures. With no proof of your own other than repeating a general statement about the end of the month, how can we believe you? Right now, we can't. And that is just be honest. I am sure amny others feel that way also.

I just read through the last 20 or so posts on the forums by Mr X and can't find anything objectionable in them at all. If you think otherwise, perhaps you care to point out what you find so offensive? It seems obvious that Mr X finds a lot of this GEOS related stuff to be low quality in the extreme. Unfortunately, he is wasting his time trying to change a bunch of hard core trolls on one side and nasty minded 'guess who's sleeping with who types' on the other.

I just read through the last 20 or so posts on the forums by Mr X and can't find anything objectionable in them at all. If you think otherwise, perhaps you care to point out what you find so offensive? It seems obvious that Mr X finds a lot of this GEOS related stuff to be low quality in the extreme. Unfortunately, he is wasting his time trying to change a bunch of hard core trolls on one side and nasty minded 'guess who's sleeping with who types' on the other.

Thank you very much. Unfortunately you are quite right that trying to change most of the people posting here is a total waste of time, and I wouldn't really expect them to pay much attention to what anyone else says, agreeable or not. On the other hand I would like someone to offer an informed opinion on what happened to GEOS in Hawaii and why, but no one seems to be able to do that. My guess would be that it has a lot to do with the bad news from Australia and then Japan getting around fast. I'm pretty sure what it said in an EFL Gazette article about a managers' crisis meeting which Kusanoki fell asleep halfway through the middle of wouldn't help either.

Mr. X: GEOS Honolulu failed for reasons that GEOS as a whole has failed - wrong business model; wrong and totally incompetent management at HO in NA; a falling market; etc. How long does it take for you to figure this out?

With Uri Carnat at the helm judging from what all has been exposed about the guy's poor education and management style on here, more bad new is coming sooner than later. If he cannot even get Open Hearts to buy GEOS at a cut-rate price, another school will fall soon. GEOS Costa Mesa, perhaps? GEOS Calgary? Stay tuned.

Mr. X: GEOS Honolulu failed for reasons that GEOS as a whole has failed - wrong business model; wrong and totally incompetent management at HO in NA; a falling market; etc. How long does it take for you to figure this out?

It's easy to repeat what everyone knows already. Got anything more specific?

You conveniently forgot this part of the post, Mr. X:

With Uri Carnat at the helm judging from what all has been exposed about the guy's poor education and management style on here, more bad new is coming sooner than later. If he cannot even get Open Hearts to buy GEOS at a cut-rate price, another school will fall soon. GEOS Costa Mesa, perhaps? GEOS Calgary? Stay tuned.

Cheers!

You conveniently forgot this part of the post, Mr. X:

With Uri Carnat at the helm ...

(insert boring "Uri's useless" rant exactly like all the other ones here)

...Stay tuned.

Cheers!
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No, I just left it out because I thought it had nothing to do with the main topic of the post. You conveniently forgot what I said about people in GEOS management a few posts ago. Anyway, I can't be bothered with you people any more. I'm going to stop posting here and then you'll have to find another poster who thinks you're boring trolls to be "Uri". Have fun.

If anybody hadn't figured out, the whole Open Hearts came apart at the seems for two reasons: a) this board and the comments which Jenny did see and b) Uri Carnat's relentless pressure on her to take the deal. Seriously, she got a little concerned with the pressure tactics (obvious desperation) and the board comments just packaged her discern up into a nice little rejection package for Uri Carnat. Yes, I was privy to this info.

For the people on here who took down Uri with all the leaks, you won. So expect a little verbal assault from time-to-time from the infamous one and a few of his compadres. You are not liked by him or them for obvious reasons.

Mant to say the whole Open Hearts deal came apart at the seams...and any other typos I might have. Damn, the English ain't work today. ;-)

Thank your for your several lengthy paragraphs. Sorry, but I don't have time today to read that volume of words. I will say this though, I assume your post is just another gripe, with no advice at all for those caught in GEOS, what their rights are, and how they should go about protecting what is in their best interests, when the doors finally slam shut. Seems to me, you people not only look forward to it, but will take extreme delight, in the future sufferance of remaining GEOS staff members. Well, good luck to you. Each unto their own.

First, CVoR, you thought we were useless current GEOS staff members that couldn't stop complaining and you knew the end was near. Now you are trying to figure us out, guessing once again, this time we must be wishing for the demise of GEOS. Well, it is obvious you really do not know anything or who we are. And, yes, there are definitely more than one of us.

Oh, any word on those facts you are going to provide to support GEOS NA going under at the end of the month, as YOU say? Just sayin'...

More red herrings, more detraction, dodging, moaning and groaning. There are people out there, caught up in this mess, who need to know what to do. Some have families to take care of, some have college fees to pay back, some have mortgage repayments they must meet. How are you helping them? Come month's end, people will need to know what their options are, and what they should do, while you, YOU, you will be dancing, naked in the streets.

CVoR: Are you bi-polar?

Honestly, might want to check back on your posts and how you were making light, some would even say gloating, in the prediction of GEOS NA closing at months end. Now you are getting all sappy and worried about others?!!?! Nuts!

WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS? YOU HAVE PROVIDED ABSOLUTE ZERO FACTS, and therefore anything you say about month's end is not being taken seriously by anyone on here (I was not the one who said they would be dancing in the streets, but I did ask for clarification many times).

WHERE ARE THE FACTS? Documents? Meetings you joined? Wife in the company who overheard something? Really, it is obvious you have NOTHING.

I read and re-read, but I can't find a thing where any of your posts / the numerous GEOS NA posts could possibly help those stranded when the doors slammed shut. I just see bitterness, and negativity, and the kind of activity, witnessed just prior to a shark feed frenzy. Not a care in the world for anything, other than your over-whelming joy, regardless of the poor victims, when the toilet seat finally comes crashing down. What about the stranded instructors? Some of them have families, some of them have college fees to pay off, and some of them have some serious mortgage payments to meet. What about the students who have coughed up money, and are yet to complete their courses? Yup, we seeing nothing - just you, and your pelvic thrusting, as you get more and more excited, as the day draws nearer. Shame on you.

I will help out with FACTS:

1. Open Hearts deal to buy GEOS NA is dead in the water, if it weren't so obvious to some of you. 100% confirmed, even if the little guy in Montreal doesn't want to admit it officially. Jenny Nieveen is obviously more intelligent than GEOS NA management and wisely held out for a better, more ethical and competitive acquisition down the road that will actually add value to her wonderful organization.

2. There is absolutely no proof of a major announcement in regards to GEOS NA at the end of February. Ignore the troll.

3. Yes, one (possibly two) GEOS NA schools are on the chopping block. GEOS NA management is trying desperately to keep them in the fold, but we all know it is not working. The two schools identified earlier are pretty much confirmed to be the ones, although there might a be a surprise in store as at least one other is not making rent payments itself. Stay tuned. And for those at the known schools, PLEASE dust of your resume and get job hunting. Do not fall for the "everything is fine and ignore the message boards" b.s. others were given before they got sacked. Please do not say we never warned you so.

Hope that helps clarify everything. Just ignore CVoR. He will go away and come back under another name. They always do, but they can be ignored. Probably someone trying to control this board who can't control their own organization well. ;-)

So that's about 4 posts I've made making a point about the trolling and stupidity on this thread, yet they get deleted while the troll posts remain.

Like I said in an earlier post, the webmaster isn't interested in this thread being a source of information about GEOS NA, and will delete posts that argue that his "policing policy" on here is wrong.

He's quite happy however to allow stupidity and trolling on here, as long as, it seems, it doesn't criticize him personally.

Take what you will from that.

Ummm, Bacon Savory Gum, I can think therefore you can take a hint, that this thread is not about your troll obsession, and, well, quite frankly, throw some water on your face, and stick to topic.

There are other places, NTU for example, where you can nurture your troll idiosyncrasy until your heart is content.

This place clearly isn't the place for that.

Meantime, still nothing here at all that could be considered the slightest bit of help to those poor souls chained in the hull of HMAS GEOS, and the time clock is ticking.

Is that an iceberg I see?

Any helpful posts would be appreciated.

My thoughts exactly. Stop complaining about trolls. If you have something relevant to the thread, share it. I try to weed out the troll posts but sometimes I miss things. Deal with it.

Shawn
Let's Japan.org::Blog

No proof yet of any impending demise of GEOS NA at month's end. I would love to see the ship sink finally, but there is absolute no proof so ignore the morons who just post crap over and over with no proof.

Two schools WILL close before it goes down.

Consider the following:

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/sc/ei/index.shtml

Gives good detail on employment insurance options available.

Consider your options now, because let's face it, things not looking good for GEOS

Nice to see CVoR is ignoring calls for proof of a months' end demise. Seems CVoR has pulled back a bit and just spouts about general b.s. that everyone already knows. We all know GEOS NA is going down, but he knows nothing specifical obviously..

On the other hand, whoever talked about GEOS failing in regards to Open Hearts, well, absolutely right. Look no further than the man at the "top" at GEOS Motnreal. He tried to hard-sell it too much out of shear desperation and they probabyl picked up on that. No one else is even coming close to GEOS NA. Who would?! It is dirty, screwed up organization. Two more schools to go down soon? Um, probably. The whole thing will go in time.

Ummm, sorry, I know I am stupid, but I really don't see how what you post even qualifies as leaks.

Like, really, what's the big deal?

Please post some REAL leaks. You know, something with real guts, and gumpo!

"Using private language schools as marketing tools for the tourism of Montreal (Canada)"

I actually think that is a wonderful. Kind of like the JET program, but on a smaller scale.

Come on, you have to do better than that. Dig deeper Baba!

Using a failing, unethical, and corrupt language school that nobody wants to "promote tourism" in Montreal?! You have to be kidding, right?

By the way, Audrey's thesis, if you can even call it that, is horrendous. I had to stop reading it. Reminded me of a bloated second-year essay, not a Masters thesis! No wonder she is secretary at GEOS Montreal. Keep your job as long as you can, honey..

Gawd forgive me for wastin' me time, 'cos I would have been better off washing the car or something, but I've chewed through Audrey's master piece. yaaaaaaaasssssssuuuuuu!@1608 is being generous in his appreciation of the work. At the least I have to share this snippit of Audrey's magnum opus with you all:

"First of all, the author limited the survey's sample to GEOS' students since this school
was used as a case study. ...................... The author
tried to contact managers of other language schools, but none of them answered
positively regarding the distribution of questionnaires."

Seems that other language school managers in the region ain't too stupid!!!

It's just superficial bitching, moaning, and whining.............if you want to bring em down, then post something of REAL substance. For example, hard evidence of money laundering.........anything, that will bring the toilet seat down, once and for all. All this stuff you people post, well, yeah, it suggest there is an envelope of fart gas surrounding GEOS, but shucks, we want to see real meat on the bone.....real gutsy stuff - clinical, hard evidence, of skullduggery - not this superficial, circumstantial, endless banter, that just scratches on the surface.......you people have been banging on with this insipid fairy dust and personal slander, for months and months and months. More leaks your promise, more leaks, and then you come out with silly shit, that, well yeah, paints a picture that suggest things ain't so good, but really, pointless, in terms of achieving any end result.......

And apart from that, what of the poor farkers still stuck in there? Some good advice for them, would not go astray......

Good to see some of the trollish comments getting deleted, once a bit of pressure is applied.

Also good to see that virtually no-one has been engaging the trolling since I suggested so. If it stays that way, like trolls, he'll get more and more sad and lonely that no-one's talking to him, or get more wound up and cracko in his attempts to provoke reactions from people - a case of brewer's droop followed by furious masturbation to get himself going for a bit. It's the only chance he's got of achieving any form of gratification whatsoever.

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