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Over the past 10 years, LJ has gone from being a website that tried to warn others about the pitfalls of working for GEOS, to documenting the criminal activities that are a part of eikaiwa, large and small schools alike.

There was the spectacular collapse of Nova that exposed it as a criminal enterprise. Then there was the sudden collapse of GEOS Australia in which GEOS Japan reassured everyone that everything was fine...only for the company to go bankrupt itself.

If you think these are pretty tame examples, how about Berlitz suing its instructors for trying to exercise their right to strike? If this kind of assholerly isn't enough, surely no one could top Fortress Japan's flat out extortion when it came to signing up robbing new students.

You know what would be worse than these examples of abuse and thievery? Using the Tohoku Kanto earthquake to make it look like teaching English is a heroic effort. Oh, wait...that's been done:

Yes, GaijinPot thinks the aftermath of a tsunami and an unfolding nuclear crisis is a great time to come and work in Japan. Teaching English=rebuilding Japan!

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Japan doesn't need you. It needs electricity. It needs to get the Fukushima reactors under control. Survivors need hot food and a warm roof over their heads.

Shame on these schools for using a disaster to promote their businesses. This ad campaign is not about what you can do for Japan--it's about the schools desperately trying to find teachers. I have a feeling that nobody wants to work anywhere near Fukushima.

By all means come to Japan to teach, but don't think that working in Hiroshima or Shizuoka is helping to rebuild Japan. If you want to help rebuild, donate to the Red Cross.

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No response, so for the purposes of this debate, there is no more reliable long-term employer, or an employer that gives you better training and career prospects in EFL teaching, than the British Council or IH. Therefore my friend made the best decision in his chosen career path.

Many different businesses and industries are on a downhill slide at the present time. The only thing that will pick things up again is continuous commitment to hard work, no matter what business you're in.

Should you choose to work for an employer, being in a larger, reputable organization with a longer history of higher standards will give you greater security in your career than, say, working in a dodgy eikaiwa like Nova, will ever do. Places like that will drag your prospects down the longer you work for them.

Actually, I would say that there are more reliable long term employers in Japan than the British Council and International House. People who will not close up shop whenever the dollar signs are no longer painted the right way.

Private Schools, Universities and the state sector are all better options in my opinion. Breaking into quality empoyment in these areas to the point where you become a long term employee is not that easy of course. There are many barriers. However, it is no more difficult than getting a Phd on a part time basis in a country that is for the most part uninterested in the serious application of research to the question of language education. Really, why bother to do a PhD in a country like this at all. If you want that, go and work somewhere where a qualificaiton like of that kind would actually mean something.

Don’t let anything I say or do get to you so much is the only advice I can give you.

I hope most people who did time in the trenches of Eikaiwa go on to prosper, but that won’t change the fact that I, and many others, find the Eikaiwa Phenomenon, and now what is left of it, absolutely revolting on numerous levels, nor will it change my intermittent posting habits, which despite what you assume, take up about 2 minutes of my life per working day.

In addition, until SELL-TA Mack kept bombarding the forum, demanding to be heard and acknowledged, like a toddler, I have always been an advocate, based on the futility of the Eikaiwa experience, in terms of a career path, of doing additional studies – and have regularly posted about it. I did no different to you – and we ultimately ended up qualified, working in the same place, in our last days in Japan, in fact.

Sometimes I think it is possible that you use internet forums to convince yourself, you are on the right path, and can build something from your Japan experience.

Work on your self-confidence perhaps – any idiot knows full well, especially if they have done booth time for around six months, that if they want a career in teaching language, when they get back home, then they had better work on additional qualifications, between performances in the monkey cage.

You should not need this forum, to convince yourself, your belief in that reality, is right.

I guess your friends or your parents over-did their concern, that you might be limiting your career options, the longer you spent doing your performance for the audience in Japan. Don’t worry what they think – it’s your life, not theirs, and besides, you were at least smart enough, to fill in the gaps with some credentials.

A master's is a good way to go, or a CELTA or DELTA will help you get a career up, over and above the dead-end of eikaiwa and ALT jobs.

And that relates to the topic of this thread how?

And what is "Marell Cook" an anagram of?

Rumours swirling that GEOS new owners want to unload the operations in NA this year. Also, ANOTHER GEOS NA school will close this year! Look for both to happen after the summer, possibly in October or so.

Dust off those resumes, GEOS NA school staff.

Ha, ha! People been talking about the coming "collapse of the U.S." for ages. Tonnes of books, magazine articles, etc. written on that doomsday prediction. Funny part, they are STILL talking about it, oh, 50+ years (conveniently started, oh, just after WWII when the U.S. took over the reins of the world from warmongering Europe). You know when someone has to blow about something so much it either a) isn't really true or b) they are probably making up for something lacking downstairs...Like a used car salesman. All talk, but not a lot of action or anything to believe. Keep talking about the impending decline...Just shows you they are STILL in the driver's seat if you are still predicting and selling things like Larry the used car sales guy...Wishful thinking? Possibly. Your big, wet dream since you have nothing positive to report about your own country or anything to do in life? Probably. At least the big bad ol' U. S. of A. actually made it to superpower stardom...Can't say the same for that other state to the North, eh there maple syrup, tree chopping, nobody pays attention to you little guy?

I don't remember the USA ever getting it's triple A credit rating pulled, or even the threat of it being pulled, not in my life. It's all over the news. Talk of the town.

Are you so sad, lost and lonely that you have to spend year after year ranting on about eikaiwa, and trolling and stalking people online? You've developed a highly abnormal fascination with certain people online, given that 5 years on, you're still going on about this "Mackorello" persona.

What is your obsession? Is it sexual?

Rumours swirling that GEOS new owners want to unload the operations in NA this year.

No one here cares, it has nothing at all to do with Japan.

On the subject of self-confidence Neddy, I'd like to see if you've got any confidence, and we meet up somewhere and you say all these things you've said to me on here face-to-face.

Anyway, I'll fess up - the person I referred to as "my friend" thinking of doing a PhD is actually me. I used the third person, stupidly thinking that it would get this Neddy nutcase off my back. Oh dear, shows what that CELTA, DELTA and Master's did for me doesn't it!!

All I've been saying Neddy, for a long time, is that what I've done is one possible way out of eikaiwa. That's all it was. You got very envious of it, obviously due to having a poor return from your charity-giving activities, and stuffing your life up in Japan, amongst other things, resulting in your online "SELL-TA Mack" cyber-meltdown.

Has anyone ever seen such a performance as that, all because somebody suggested doing a CELTA as a way of starting out on an EFL career?

It's very worrying that someone such as yourself is dishing out charity to people. I meant what I said about charities conning people out of their money. Judging by your online performances, I doubt that money is being put to much good use.

"If you want to make a career out of it, you need to have a master's degree and some experience teaching in your home country."

It's really interesting and intriguing to me that you should write that, because my TEFL instructors in grad school said I should try to forge a career in my home country (Britain) after getting qualified and getting experience abroad.

I'm not sure there is a fully defined career path, but so called 'senior figures in EFL just say anything for fear of sounding like they don't know the answer, if you ask me. After doing an MA EFL course and having lots and lots of experience in Japan, and working for myself, I personally feel that my best career option is to integrate more IT based stuff into the curriculum, to aid both self study and remote/virtual classes. I could be wrong, I'm not pretending I know, but this is the way I'm heading. So my next dilemma is do I just pick up the necessary IT skills myself, or do yet more grad school study? Again, I don't know the answer but it's an interesting journey, professionally.

You're Right You Know!

Well, Mr Marrell Cooke, or whatever you want to call yourself. It's nice of you to reveal that it is you yourself in the situation described. Given your previous misrepresentation, it is difficult to fully believe that you are indeed at present a British Council employee, that you have already aquired the qualifications that you say 'your friend' has and that you are considering doing a PhD in order to become a Director of Studies. But let us assume that all of this is true. How on earth could you be in any way benefiting your employer by such subterfuge and online obsession with a particular other poster. How does the British Council or International House benefit from nonsense like that from one of their employees?

Secondly, what kind of PhD do you have in mind given that such matters as curriculum, class size, course duration, and all the other things that one would usually wish to 'control' for in research, are largely dictated by economic concerns, even when it comes to the British Counci or International House? How can you conduct meaningful research when all of these variables are subject to continual change on the basis of customer demand. If you are really interested in academic research, wouldn't you be better off in a more stable environment like a school or university?

If I am wrong. OK come on and tell us Mr Cooke what meaningful PHD research do you have in mind? What are you planing to research and how?

Good detective work. Like you said, can you imagine someone from the British Council coming on here and saying that? It wouldn't happen.

Having said that, I guarantee Neddy will be scouring the Internet searching for information on British Council teachers in Japan, trying to track me down. Something else to tweeze his mind for a while.

As for your other questions, whatever I do with my life is my business. What I've been saying on here is an example of an option to pursue. It's not necessarily what I'm doing, for reasons already explained.

That shouldn't be a problem, unless you're obsessed with finding out who I, or anyone else on here, really is.

Marell, it’s OK by me, if you want to indulge in fantasizing what I might or might not be thinking, or what I might be up to.

You have been doing precisely that, for time immemorial.

Said with utmost humility, you have my express permission to spend your time, however you wish, so don’t let me or anyone else rain on your parade.

I am not sure why you think I or anyone else does NOT think “EIKAIWA plus RELEVANT QUALIFICATIONS”, if your desire is to teach beyond the confines of the glass booth on completion of any tour of duty in Japan, is better than “EIKAIWA plus NUFFINK”.

It’s a given.

Your incessant bang-on about it, however, which comes across as a rather pathetic and desperate attempt to scoop up on-line accolades, does invite mockery, which is precisely why another poster/s coined the phrase “SELL-TA” Mack.

I might be mistaken, but I believe your former handle got registered on this sites spam filter, because of this rather odd tendency of yours, to turn all threads and conversations around to what you want to talk about (which is usually all about YOU, your studies, and/or your fixations).

I have to agree with a recent previous poster, in that I find it rather humorous and curious, as to why any person, grooming themselves for the position of Director of Studies, with the British Council, would bother with all the nonsense that oozes from you in here.

Even more curious, when pointed out, you then, rather hilariously, attempt a back down.

Look, you should wake up to yourself, and stop hitting out at imaginary demons.

Please try to absorb this - PEOPLE DO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND that working in Eikaiwa and doing relevant study/s at the same time, if your aim is to continue teaching when released from the clutches of language booths of Japan, is ENTIRELY SENSIBLE (I did exactly the same as you).

Everyone, other than the newest of newbies, knows this.

Eternally chest beating about, however, like you are better than everyone else, or have discovered some unique formula for success (if only people would listen to you), becomes a rather tiresome drag.

Oh, thanks for the invitation to catch up.

I will wait until you have finished your PHD, however, because I want to be the first one to salute and greet you, face to face, using your new title “DOCTOR WHACKO”.

Hmmm, “DOCTOR WHACKO” – you must admit, it does have a certain ring about it, doesn’t it?

Do have a nice day, and do at least TRY to think about something, or someone, other than me.

Actually, I am not at all clear about your reasons for claiming that your 'friend' is doing something and then claiming that 'you' are doing something and then saying that actually niether you nor your friend is doing any such thing and what you are really doing is nobody's business but your own. Do you even live in Japan at this time (I have my doubts)?

Really, I can't see any good reason for this kind of behaviour, if all you want to do is put forward a certain career track as an 'option'. Actually, whether or not said career track is at all sensible, viable or preferable, is surely a question best addressed by people who are or have in fact been doing such things, rather than people who are simply engaged in speculation. The pursuit of a PHD in Japan, for example, would only be beneficial in certain circumstances. In others, it could be a complete waste of time money and effort. Everything depends on the details. That is why you would be better sticking to those things with which you have true familiarity when making recommendations of any sort and why you should certainly not be claiming to have familiarity with something that you don't.

That is why you would be better sticking to those things with which you have true familiarity when making recommendations of any sort and why you should certainly not be claiming to have familiarity with something that you don't.

As you're addressing someone who appears to log in under various user names (usually some anagram of "Mackorello") in order to post the same comment over and over again ("CELTA is a good place to start") and then implies that it's other people who are trolls, I think such sound and sensible advice might be wasted.

Having said that I think it's fair enough to assume that after the Tohoku disasters the number of Japanese people wanting to take English conversation lessons from westerners with little training or experience is going to plummet. I suspect, though, that the companies who posted those excreable GaijinPot messages are looking for ALTs rather than eikaiwa teachers.

You know what?

The joke of the matter is, I think it was me, years ago, on a different site, who actually talked the guy into doing CELTA, and you guessed it, "as a good place to start".

Oh, the irony of it all.

Everyone agrees Eikawas stink so why not start a gaijin riot and burn them all down?

Yes, this forum is pretty much all about Eikaiwa stinking. Some nuff nuffs don’t quite get that, but, oh well, each unto their own.

I have to say that your online obsession with me is quite something, given that you now feel the need to comment on me and my imaginary life story that you've concocted in your head by posting lengthy spiels about it.

Have you thought about having it published? Neddy's Nova Nightmares - one man's obsession with an imaginary cyber-character called Mackorello. Hell, Tyler Durden would be proud of you for that one!

Having said that, maybe don't bother, given that it was about as interesting as watching paint dry.

"Mackorello" was banned on here because you were bombarding the board with it, not me, in an online psychotic meltdown. Either you've forgotten that, your brain being so addled as it is, or are telling lies.

Anyway, take your own advice for a change, stop projecting, and try and think of something else other than me, my psychological and career profile, or whatever other obsessions you've got with me, for at least a few moments of your existence.

And I knew you wouldn't have the guts to meet me face-to-face and say this stuff, as you know what would happen. If you can't handle it, take your own advice again, and work on your self-confidence, rather than hiding behind your computer trolling people. You clearly need some if you can't handle someone taking the piss out of your pathetic charity-giving "career" over the Internet, or are still obsessed with Mackorello, years and years down the line.

Get over it mate!

Everyone agrees Eikawas stink so why not start a gaijin riot and burn them all down?

Well, another consequence of the disasters maybe that lots of Japanese people realise that they don't need or can't afford to spend money on "conversation" classes that aren't really going to benefit them very much. So some eikaiwas might close down before the gaijin mobs can get to them.

All this talk of "career paths" and "career tracks" has me scratching my head: this ain't the 1980's anymore. It isn't even the 1990's. The days when one could advance comfortably on a career track are mostly gone in the real world of work .... suppose this is still found in academia but anyone who believes it will survive there in the long-term are kidding themselves. In the last month the term "education bubble" has started to percolate in the American media. Times they are a-changin. Something's blowin' in the wind.

I've just read your post all the way through Neddy. You're a congenital liar and troll who, by your own admission, posts on here to "hook a few goober fish" because it "excites" you.

That's what running charities, traipsing round Asia conning people out of their money, and watching Africans getting shot in the head, has done for you.

You can't handle me banging on about it either on my weekend off, such is your lack of resilience and confidence. Don't bother posting to me on here again, it's a sign that you've got no guts. PM me marell_cook@gmail.com and we'll arrange to meet somewhere and you can respond to my face. Let's see all this confidence you claim to have.

Two GEOS NA schools are being targeted for closure this year. One for sure and, yes, October sounds about right. There are also some rumblings about the parent money feeder in Japan potentially unloading the whole shebang this year. Yes, it could even be dissolved completely with no willing buyer.

This year should get really interesting.

Shawn, you can see that the above post comes from Uri Carnat's backyard. Or the abyss by some accounts. So this is pretty legit and an update should be had next week,

Cheers!

Two GEOS NA schools are being targeted for closure this year. One for sure and, yes, October sounds about right. There are also some rumblings about the parent money feeder in Japan potentially unloading the whole shebang this year. Yes, it could even be dissolved completely with no willing buyer.

This year should get really interesting.

Not for people who want to read about the impact the Tohoku disasters are having on the ELT industry in Japan, which your post has nothing at all to do with. Your post is pointless, irrelevant fluff.

There are also some rumblings about the parent money feeder in Japan potentially unloading the whole shebang this year.

You don't even know if GEOS NA still has a Japanese parent company, or if it does which one. Now, why don't you get yourself a username and password for the LJ forums so that you can continue to write about this kind of stuff in the "Out of Japan" forum?

We all do what we gotta do. We are the pricks who face the students, we are the ones who deliver the goods, keep the 'punters' happy, whether it be a roach-infested dodgy eikaiwa, or a top-o-the line prestigious hall of higher learning. All said and done, it's all the same, I reckon. Keep moving forward boys, keep providing for yourself and your loved ones. It doesn't matter if you are in Japan or any other country, you have a job to do, so quit your bitchin and your petty squabbling: get your butt out there, and make them happy!!

These kinds of advertisements will, by the majority of discerning Japanese people (if they see them / become aware of them), be viewed, underneath cordial manners and controlled composure, as being crass, tasteless, and desperate.

They broader implication, will be a worsening of the reputation of the service providers that placed them, and will be a further nail in the coffin, of an industry already in dramatic recline.

Originally revolted and appalled by them, after some reflection, they now bring a smile to my face, because they dramatically confirm what I have always known, and that is, what a desperate bunch of sorry ass, do anything for a dime, bunch of con artists, those types of companies are.

It is satisfying to see them wiggle and squirm, as the walls close in around them, and also, entertaining, to see how out of touch they actually are, with Japanese sentiment and style.

It's a sunny day today. Nice weather, isn't it? I notice you have a dog. Are you by any chance a dog lover? You are not? That is strange. Why do you have a dog and why did you come to this park?

Oh, I think I understand. You wish to draw attention to the abandoned pet problem and help Japan, by adopting a dog for the duration of your sourjourn? How thoughtful. Perhaps, I too should do my bit for international cooperation by adopting a dog that can play with your dog for the duration of your sourjourn. How long do you plan to stay?

1 year. Let me divide that by 3. Nothing personal, just a statistical precaution. If I adopt a dog to play with your dog, then I will have to spend at minimum enough money to feed a dog for at least 4 months followed by the extermination fee for 2 dogs. How does that compare to the fee for online internet English courses? Hmm not well.

OK. As I said. It's a nice day today. Enjoy your stay in Japan.

"We all do what we gotta do. We are the pricks who face the students, we are the ones who deliver the goods, keep the 'punters' happy, whether it be a roach-infested dodgy eikaiwa, or a top-o-the line prestigious hall of higher learning. All said and done, it's all the same, I reckon. Keep moving forward boys, keep providing for yourself and your loved ones. It doesn't matter if you are in Japan or any other country, you have a job to do, so quit your bitchin and your petty squabbling: get your butt out there, and make them happy!!"
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Love it! The rest of you are miserable pricks with an Eikaiwa chip on your shoulder.

My experience in Japan has been very enlightening and profitable thank you, Kayu. If you think otherwise, then you are so narrow minded that I can barely be bothered to connect the dots for you.

What you do, and how much you earn are externals really: they don't get down to the heart of it all. However, that does not mean that I have not made, and do not continue to make an absolute packet. I do. It's just that none of these things is very important to me. They used to be, before I was financially successful, but after that success came, I was able to get the bigger perspective. I sincerely hope, Kayu, that this will happen for you one day as well.

In the meantime, when you are not running around after your corporate clients in Atlanta, do drop in to give us the benefit of your opinions on life, the universe and everything.

It’s funny you know.

I dedicate a mere fraction of my time thinking about EIKAIWA, and a mere fraction of time, saying anything about it – both confined to the few moments I spend here and there on-line, in sites, dedicated to the subject.

And yet peculiar people (often quite nuff nuff in nature), one of them a stalker (a man, posting under a woman’s name), who it appears has even bothered to track my IP address, on numerous occasions, over half a decade (which is something I have never done), tend to claim I have an EIKAIWA obsession.

Let me say this.

EIKAIWA is dieing a natural death, but it is long over due.

I enjoy reading here and there, and commenting here on there, about it’s slow and protracted death.

I do enjoy it.

Most recently, I have, after a period of initial repulsion, taken great delight, in the desperate waves of inappropriate advertising, from the wart covered dwarves that were once giants (in their own minds and dreams).

As for the nuff nuff comments.

I enjoy those too, because they contribute, usually directly, if not subliminally, to the growing perception, that EIKAIWA is a clown show, which employs clowns, and bites into the sanity, over a period of time, of the weak, and the gullible.

They serve as a beacon, to warn off, the would be fools (the new wave of newbies), and are thus, serve a purpose.

As for my stalker (the man masquerading as a woman) – name you place and time – I do not have to travel from more than 20 minutes, it would be wonderful, to meet you in person.

However, please desist with throwing out your pathetic and transparent invitations to PM, to arrange a “meet”, when you actually have no intention, or capacity, to carrying out your idle threats of physical violence.

Sad, that this once somewhat relevant site has slowly mutated into a drop in center for paranoid loonies. We used to get something of the trends of the industry, what companies were up to, etc, followed by some pretty relevant and on topic visitor comments. Now, the owner of this site is really scraping the barrel, to find things to write, and the only people who bother replying are deluded and paranoid conspiracy theorists. I know for a fact, someone will probably come on and tell me I'm an Eikaiwa Honcho, incognito, which I am not, but it is indicative of this site, and the owner, who gnaws away at that which gnaws away at him (what a pathetic, tragic life he has shaped for himself - he should have walked away from all this bollox years ago, but now he's like Gollum, afraid of the sunlight). If he had any sense, he'd shut this (now) irrelevant pile of bile down. And if you think "oh but someone has to expose eikaiwa blah blah" you're deluded too, cos that's an irrelevant pile of shrivelling cess, that nobody gives a damn about anymore, either. There is nothing more to be said, and if you disagree, fine, keep on wasting your life on this nonstory, but is that what you want as your epitaph? "He squandered decades, writing a blog about sinister goings on in the conversation school business"

What’s up your nose Gordon? I reckon the operator/s of this blog, probably spent 10 minutes on it, per week. And apart from that, why does how he/they spent their time, bother you so much? What are you? Some kind of head office stooge, or something like that? Hmm?

I would characterise it more in terms of a community service. He gave hours of his free time every week in an effort to keep people people more fully informed than they otherwise might be about what they are really getting into when they come to Japan to teach English. There should be medals for this kind of thing.

And yet peculiar people (often quite nuff nuff in nature), one of them a stalker (a man, posting under a woman’s name), who it appears has even bothered to track my IP address, on numerous occasions, over half a decade (which is something I have never done), tend to claim I have an EIKAIWA obsession.

As for my stalker (the man masquerading as a woman) – name you place and time – I do not have to travel from more than 20 minutes, it would be wonderful, to meet you in person.

However, please desist with throwing out your pathetic and transparent invitations to PM, to arrange a “meet”, when you actually have no intention, or capacity, to carrying out your idle threats of physical violence.

Old Neddy's really got me on the brain, big time, making up even more fantasies about me. He's now psychologically disturbed about meeting me in person, so desperate is he to find out who I really am, and what it is I really do, plus he's got a complex that I'm threatening him with violence. SUch paranoia could turn into real-life violence and murder.

He's now developed a new obsession that I'm a man with a woman's name. Not only that but he's scared stiff of saying my name, in case he gets his post deleted, something which upsets him terribly, and destroys the only bit of power and control he has in his otherwise pathetic half-life.

Having been stalked and obsessed over by this person, for years on end, in a continuous paranoid, psychotic online meltdown, all because I said Nova was good for doing a year's backpacking/working holidaying in Japan, I find it totally hilarious to see his bubble burst, unable to speak save for the occasional long-winded diatribe, all because he'll get his post deleted and get all upset, like a little, cry-baby toddler that wet himself.

Go to mummy now and get your milk and biscuits. And while your at it, get your nappy changed.

I don’t know, but I would not be surprised, if they jumped into that act of desperation, just like the rest of them.

Then again, they might not have. Someone once told me that AEON was/is connected to the Mormons, in which case, in the name of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints, they may have opted out of doing something so crass and tasteless.

Note your comment on that money being bog standard – it is pretty staggering, that THE MONEY ON OFFER BY EIKAIWA (noting you have to finance your relocation to Japan, in most cases), is BELOW THE AVERAGE WAGE FOR HOSPITILITY AND RETAIL WORKERS, in one of the countries which supplies Eikaiwa drones.

While a fact, it’s still hard to believe, when you consider the bubble years, that Eikaiwa is now in such a state of decline and disarray, that people can earn more money selling lingerie and bed linen for a department store in Australia, than they can by hitting the booths in Japan.

Oh well. It had to come to and end, sooner or later.

Interesting that your seemingly pleasant domestic set up in regional Japan still left you yearning for a (British) business related post in America. I have every respect for your personal tastes, desires and choices, but personally (and I am a Brit, so am speaking from experience) I would rather be homeless, and have to walk around Yokohama with a nail in my shoe, every day, that have to return to a soul destroying British working environment. Don't get me wrong, Britain is alright, it's just that I hated every second of my working life there. Maybe America is better? I hear that you congregate around the water cooler each day, and chat about the previous night's TV for a while. Sounds nice. In Britain, there would be no water cooler, and even if there was, before you had a chance to talk, around it, your boss would bellow something like "What do I facking pay you for? Get back to facking work!!!!" I'll take Japan, thanks.

Gaba has their earthquake gig - a little plastic jar to collect donations. Its practically empty at my school, because Gaba clients are usually wealthy, and statistics show that despite philanthropy the overwhelming majority of donations come from the poor. The poor donate to the poor, because they know what it is like to be there. I would estimate 80,000yen has been donated by individuals at my school collectively to seperate organizations (red cross, people's earthquake relief fund, etc.). And these donations come from people who only make around 200,000yen a month. These donations, from only a handful of instructors making the lowest wage in the industry, amount to far more than Gaba's official charity program. And yet, Gaba advertises their charity, produces leaflets and weblinks about it, hails it in their instructor newsletter, makes sure every client knows they are "helping" earthquake victims. It's a PR scam. Corporate charity is always a scam. Half a million people homeless, jobless and crammed into shelters, some of them dying, particularly the elderly who don't have access to medication. The company will throw a few scraps from the table at them (taken not from profits but from employee or customer donations) and spend more than the donation advertising the donation itself. Never, ever give to a corporate charity.

Well, the little guy at the big, bad ol' top of the GEOS fiefdom in Montreal is not going to be happy about this...Saw on another board that there is some sort of "GEOSleaks" coming with lots of records and other info about GEOS being released onto the Internet, mostly dealing with GEOS Montreal, GEOS Ottawa, GEOS Toronto, etc (from what was said). Supposedly this is additional info to the stuff that was leaking out courtesy of the two dumb-asses heading GEOS Ottawa and GEOS Montreal Maybe a rumour, but I am sure it will show up here if it is true. Very interesting to see what they have...I am sure there are more abused and disgruntled employees out there.

Saw something on another site, also, but it seems to been wiped...GEOSleaks? Sounds good to me. There are a A LOT of "disgruntled" ex-GEOS types and other company personnel that came in contact with GEOS (specifically GEOS Montreal, GEOS Victoria and GEOS Ottawa maybe) who have a particular disdain for the company and people who run it. No one in the industry respects GEOS and for good reason. Hence why the Uri Carnat-types of the world can't get a job anywhere else in the language sector because they are branded for life as incompetent, arrogant, and completely delusional people.

does office politics at English schools in Canada have to do with how EIKAWA used the earthquake to spin themselves in a positive light? If you're having trouble answering that question, I'll answer it for you. F### ALL!!! Are you f###ing retarded, or just pathologically boring?

By the way, Gizmo, you're right about GABA, but I wouldn't expect anything else from those shits.

Earthquake got boring...Office politics never seem to get boring....Especially when that little guy in Montreal at a school names GEOS comes up...Damn, that dude must have really pissed off people. Some Uri guy.

Love to hear where that GEOSleaks is. Sounds entertaining.

Never told this story before but the tale is that as the s*** hit the fan at GEOS in Sydney early last year not only were folk grabbing the odd book or two off the resource shelf but somebody (who shall be entirely nameless :-) ) grabbed the main server from the computer room in the corner of the teachers' room by the administrators' desks and zapped off out of the building with it. No information as to where or with whom it ended up. Now this might only be a story but what fun a forensic accountant and an IT mate could have with such a find. So, maybe keep your eyes out at the market for old black computers with a peeling GEOS control labels on the back.
Now ain't that more interesting than poncy emperors foaming at the mouth?

There is more to come...More than a missing black server, although that will be interesting too. A lot of people felt betrayed, lied to, and generally abused by GEOS manager assholes. So things got shuffled out the door, including financial files via e-mail, etc. The first GEOS leak out of GEOS Ottawa was one of them, strategically leaked but made to look like an accident...That was only the tip of the iceberg. A lot of info is out there, coupled with a lot of people who do not give a f- now. Uri and the other a-holes better watch themselves...Talk smack, and this shit is coming back to haunt you.

GEOSleaks should make this board fun again. Eh, Napoleon of Montreal?

A lot of info is out there, coupled with a lot of people who do not give a f- now. Uri and the other a-holes better watch themselves...Talk smack, and this shit is coming back to haunt you.

GEOSleaks should make this board fun again. Eh, Napoleon of Montreal?

Please find somewhere else for your "GEOS NA/I hate Uri" diatribes. They don't make this board fun, they just clog it up with boring crap that's totally irrelevant to teaching English in Japan.

TROLL / USELESS POST ALERT at 22:21!!!!!!

TROLL / USELESS POST ALERT at 22:21!!!!!!

There was a reply to the 22:21 comment that got deleted, while the original comment is still there - maybe not for long, though. Odd how that works, isn't it.

Anyway, just so this post isn't as useless as the one at 13:43, is there any more news about English schools trying to drum up trade in Tohoku? Come to think of it, how are they managing in Tokyo?

Yeh...I was going to post about this selective deletion that's going on these days. But I couldn't be bothered. And if that begins to happen with your productive posters, then what happens to forums? I dunno. Do care, though.

22:21 Your crying adds nothing of value to this board and achieves absolutely nothing. These people are not going away and maybe for good reason. Deal with it like a, er, "big guy" and move on...

;-)

The Eikaiwa "industry" in Japan is doomed. It's surviving because the companies can exploit foreign teachers with impunity. For those thinking of coming to Japan to teach English: Don't come! Honestly, you will be ripped off and treated like shit.

I'd advise anyone in Japan now from America to not rush home unless you're from a top 20 school and specialized in something with some job shortage (engineering, some specific field of computer science or IT). The job market is worse than it seems. The 9% unemployment rate is misleading, many people looking for work are not included in it. The employment rate is among the lowest of developed countries right now, worse than the UK. Most of the jobs available in job searches are those specialized jobs, clerical, or senior ranking. The ones people in their 20's and 30's would get are hardly advertised and likely go to interns or other insiders. That leaves retail and fast food, where you'll be working around $6-10/hour with people who never went or finished college, though perhaps even they won't get those jobs now as BA's will be filling more of them.

The US and UK are on a rapid decline and the governments are not handling it well (even worse in the US), so just make the most of your opportunity in Japan. Try to develop any skills you can on the side while there that could help you find better paying employment in Japan or other countries. English teaching at the eikaiwa and ALT level can be a dead end career, but it's a fine alternative to unemployment or McJobs in the US. People who stay long enough can find better paying work and if you get a master's, or have one, the opportunities improve as well. That said, the odds of finding decent work outside of English teaching and translating are fairly low. Japanese companies are still discriminatory. If you have the opportunity and jobs skills and are ready to move out of Japan, I'd look into Australia before heading back to the US. They have their own problems, but are economically doing far better than the US and UK (in terms of how it affects average people).

Don't listen to the idiot in the previous post. Teaching in Japan is a joke, and you are better off working on the floor for Walmart in the States, than you are whoring away in Eikaiwa. You are just a glorified slut, with a native English speaking mouth, instead of a winking pussy, when you do the monkey dance in the monkey booths of Eikaiwa. Take the balanced view, and stand tall and proud, and avoid Eikaiwa altogether.

It's for losers, END OF

Most of the people you meet who'll scream at you not to work in EIKAWA... Guess what?

They work in EIKAIWA!!!!

Anyone potentially thinking about working in EIKAIWA who is younger, better looking and less burned out is seen by them as a threat because yes, EIKAIWA is a vacuous non skills based existence. It's like Hollywood with text books.
Fuck it, if you're young and adventurous, give it a go for 12 months. The money's ok and the chicks are hot.

Yours

Eikaiwa Stooge

RE: "It's not that bad." Yes, it is. At least in Europe and the states you have options for switching careers and education, plus a modicum of rights as an employee. America and Europe might recover in the future, but Japan is getting worse by the year. You have none of these options in Japan. Japan is fucked.

Relative to the cost of living the money and hours are brutal and getting worse by the year. I'm all for going to a foreign country and having a good time, but go somewhere else in Asia. In Japan, you'll be slaving just to survive. I work in an eikaiwa and I'm leaving at the end of the year. I've had it with this country and company.

OMGOMG! Will you just just the fuck up, and get lost? Christ, put a sock in that cake hole of yours, and grow up. You are outed. Go away!

Talking to hot chicks, sweet housewives and retirees for six and a half hours a day, for thirty thousand dollars a year - no wonder you're trying to make it sound shit - you're worried that your cushy little J-Gig is gonna get rumbled, and some younger, fresher ace is gonna take your job, forcing you to go back to (insert country name here) to look for out of your league jobs because you've got no skills or relevant experience.

Hey, bright young things - come and teach for a year in Japan - it's fucking great! And I should know, I'm here, living the dream!

Yours

D. Stoogekovic.

I work 45 hours plus a week. I get paid for twenty nine of them. That means i get no benefits. My health for me and my family comes out of my own pocket. Sure it's easy if you can get away with doing a half assed job, but that's the same with any job. You can't get away with that carry on any more, my friend. Between performance reviews, table ratios, student reports and putting up with moronic conversationalists, it's as stressful as any 45 hour a week desk job back home. That thirty thousand a year is all you'll ever get, no matter how long you stay here, and the cost of living renders it worth nothing. Like I said, I'm outta here soon, so all you bright young things are welcome to my crummy job. When my company started with lay offs, the first people the got rid of was the young party people who were living" the dream" You are living in a fool's paradise.

Agreed. It's a fresh young unmarried newbie's job. that they can do for a year or two and then bugger off, and not for family men like yourself. Keeping on people like you was a low blow to save them recruitment costs. They have gained while you have paid. Shame on them.

They kept me because I do a good job and i'm reliable. Family men also get subsidised health plus other benefits. Single young people pay through the nose. You will also get no holidays longer than a few days. Ever. Don't come to Japan!

If you'd done a CELTA, got post-CELTA experience, then a DELTA, then an MA, then got a PROPER teaching job, none of this would have happened.

Let this be a lesson to you.

I work with people who have done all the above and more and are no better off than me. I know people with cushy jobs in high schools who don't even have degrees! Don't bother wasting your time and money with "MAs"in Tesol and all that rubbish. They're not worth the paper they're written on, in Japan anyway. They're just an expensive racket.

Agreed. Most schools in Japan couldn't give a rat's ass about teaching qualifications which is why, as above posters have already said, you're probably best off not bothering to come to Japan to "teach". Come to Japan for the monkey dance, the Japan "experience", getting pissed and laid, see the sights, then get out of the place and get a proper job.

I think the days of having the Japan "experience" are finished. If you come to Japan, you'll end up doing "split shift" 10 hour days for 250,000 yen a month, if you're lucky. Factor in rent, transport, bills, plus feeding yourself etc, you'll be lucky to save anything at all. If you're coming here with a college loan hanging over you, forget it. The few people I know who are putting a bit of cash together are working full time "normal" hours (six hours contact time a day) plus running around hustling for private lessons. They are working almost two full time jobs! They are burnt out and have no time and energy for having fun.

And if you think having Celtas and Toefls are any insurance, then dream on. As an employee, you have no rights whatsoever in Japan. It doesn't matter whether you work for a college, a school, an eikaiwa whatever. They can cut your wages and your hours, re arrange your schedule and fire you with impunity. Seriously. as a non-Japanese, you are nothing to them, and you will be treated as such.

The people with good jobs in Japan all came here 15 plus years ago and fell into cushy numbers due to knowing the right people. Skills and qualifications had nothing to do with it. They're going nowhere, and anyway, they could all be let go tomorrow. To be honest, in the next ten years many of them will.

Go to some other place in Asia.

Oh, and I agree that those ads at Gaijin pot conning idealistic people into coming to Japan to work are the work of utter scumbags. How do they sleep at night?

You can still have an "experience" with the schools that are left if you want to, the main ones being Aeon and ECC, plus ALT dispatch cowboys like Interac. Add private lessons on and you can pay off at least some of those college debts.

As for burn out, yes, some people can't hack sitting there talking crap and doing the monkey dance for hours on end, but I'd say they're probably unaccustomed to (or incapable of) work (and I use the term "work" loosely, given that we're talking about eikaiwa). People who've got a few years experience of work behind them never complain about it being difficult, in fact, you hear them often talk about how easy it is compared to real work.

Sounds like you are seriously confused, family man. 'I do a good job'. In eikaiwa there is no such thing as doing a good job. If you really did do a good job, you would certainly be fired. What you mean is, ' I lie in whatever position I'm told to, for as long as I'm told to. ' Nothing to be proud of at all. But since you are, I suggest you stick to what you are good at. Japan needs you, that's for sure.

@09:24 Sounds like you're a prime example of the crazy fucker, monkey dancing "Japan Fucked"

>I work 45 hours plus a week. I get paid for twenty nine of them.

Well you're a sucker then. Shyster companies rely on spineless yes men like you, which would be ok, except for the fact that you fuck it up for everyone else.

>That means i get no benefits. My health for me and my family comes out of my own pocket.

I feel sorry for your family. For their sake, why don't you grow a spine?

>Sure it's easy if you can get away with doing a half assed job, but that's the same with any job. You can't get away with that carry on any more, my friend.

YES YOU FUCKING WELL CAN, AND I DO! And I'm not your friend.

>Between performance reviews, table ratios, student reports and putting up with moronic conversationalists, it's as stressful as any 45 hour a week desk job back home.

What ABOLUTE BOLLOCKS!!!! Mind you, it does sound like you are getting ####ed up the butt by whoever you "work" for. Again, grow a spine.

>That thirty thousand a year is all you'll ever get, no matter how long you stay here, and the cost of living renders it worth nothing.

Well that's the point, isn't it? I think we can all agree it's not comparable to a career in law or medicine. It's a gap year job. I wouldn't claim otherwise. But 30,000 a year is OK for a fresh graduate with a year to spare. Obviously not for you though, cos you're lumbered with a wife and kids (or is it the other way round?)

>Like I said, I'm outta here soon, so all you bright young things are welcome to my crummy job. When my company started with lay offs, the first people the got rid of was the young party people who were living" the dream" You are living in a fool's paradise.

What company was that then? Fucking shocking business sense. Fire all the genki good looking young studs, and keep the bitter burnouts. That should have the chicks FLOODING in!

You're a prat. That's why your life sucks. It has nothing to do with EIKAIWA or Japan. When you go back to wherever you're from, your life will suck there, too.

I said it was not THAT bad compared to the situation in the US for many graduating college right now. It's by no means great nor a stable long term solution, but better than the unemployed or underemployed hell many are facing in the US right now. Some of the companies are awful, pay awful. Most eikaiwas are terrible to try to make long term careers out of. If you want to stay long term, you have to work ALT and aim then for private schools. If you're really interested in teaching, well, technically you're supposed to find work teaching in your home country first before coming over, but good luck with that if you're in the US given the continual teacher layoffs. There's no good options right now, but if your choice is unemployment/stringing together part time $8/hour jobs while trying to pay back your BA in the US or earning the equivalent of $35,000+ in Japan for 30-40 hours of work, and the option of earning another $25-$40+ per hour in private lessons, the latter seems like a smarter choice.

You may be best off looking for an MA in a country with better employment potential, though the cost will be higher. Teaching in Japan for a few years won't hurt you anymore than working at Wal-Mart will and at least shows you're willing to take chances and can handle yourself in a completely foreign environment. You have the potential of switching jobs in the US, but the odds right now of switching to anything halfway decent are incredibly low. Those decent paying entry-level jobs are vanishing and the interns and people who know someone in the company already have always had the greatest advantage in getting those.

Young people who find themselves faced with only the choices of Walmart or pissing around in Japan for a couple of years have probably already made some bad educational choices. They should look at what kind of career is a possibility for them and make the right moves towards that.

For most people who try Japan as a money getting vehicle while they work towards the next stage, it is way too distracting. They waste their time and money out here while their real careers and financial lives are going backwards.; That doesn't have to be the case, but it usually is. Some of them actually work quite hard, but they make all the wrong moves and don't get anywhere. However, many of them don't even learn any Japanese, or only a smattering and think that's OK.

Then they get back home and the first thing interviewers will say to them after having looked over the sub-par skills and achievements outlined in their resume will be 'Well, I suppose you're good at Japanese now, right?' And they kind of shake their heads and say, "Well you know Japanese is like a difficult language err"

Duh. Learning Japanese is a bottom line requirement whether you are going to stay in Japan permanently or not. If you don't go all out on that and make serioius progress, people will assume that you are an A1 slacker and they will be right.

For the vast majority, I would recommend Walmart over Japan any day. It will keep your head straight.

@ 13:10 Doing a a good job means having some pride in what you do and doing your best for you students who spend their hard earned money coming to your lessons. Just because the company you work for are assholes doesn't mean you have to be to students. IMO anyway.

"What company was that then? Fucking shocking business sense. Fire all the genki good looking young studs, and keep the bitter burnouts. That should have the chicks FLOODING in!

You're a prat. That's why your life sucks. It has nothing to do with EIKAIWA or Japan. When you go back to wherever you're from, your life will suck there, too."

"The chicks" in this country are overworked and broke, you moron. The only people with time and money for eikaiwa in Japan are kids and retirees. They don't want to learn from obnoxious Americans like you who come in to class stinking of drink. You're living in the nineteen nineties.

This is another reason not to come to Japan folks. basically, the only people left in this country teaching english are people like the Stooge. Do you want to share an office with sad people like this?

Byeee

I am a white Caucasian male - have been here for over 20 years had an extremely successful export business that made me a lot of money for over 10 years - however we are on the ropes now and to supplement our now meager export income am going to be a "conversational English teacher" (Again. Oh Oh I been married to Japanese for 25 years and we STILL have regular and GREAT sex ! Japan still rocks.,

Don't go back to eikaiwa. Only losers like Bed Red Ned work in eikaiwa. You'll end up stuck on LJ all day stalking and trolling people, and accusing all and sundry of doing the same. Then you'll reply with the same tired, worn-out obsessive bullshit all the time about "stalking trolls".

Do yourself a favour and do anything except eikaiwa.

20 years /extremely successful – listen dude, take a leaf out of my book, retire and don’t worry about working at all, and just concentrate on the sex !!!!!

;)

Why did my posts get deleted?

I haven’t crapped on about masturbation endlessly since NTU days.

It’s not fair.

Oh dear, giving the game away a bit there, aren't we - or don't we care any more?

He's hopeless isn't he? Every time he comes on, he gets wiped out, along with the rest of the board.

There's one simple solution to all this - don't respond to his comments. They're only intended to fire you up and provoke a reaction, then the board gets bombarded and destroyed.

He did the same on NTU and is doing the same here.

Very good. I can see where you're coming from

There's one simple solution to all this - don't respond to his comments. They're only intended to fire you up and provoke a reaction, then the board gets bombarded and destroyed.

Practice what you preach. One of the reasons these boards get clogged up with meaningless crap is you telling everyone not to reply to troll posts, even though that's exactly what you're doing yourself. To be honest I think this thread has long since served its purpose and should be closed, and that only registered posters with usernames and passwords should be allowed here.

It's not me clogging the board up though, it's him (or somebody else even) sock-puppeting under this name. You're getting suckered in by him. Like I said, ignore the disingenuous/inflammatory posts and you'll destroy his modus operandi.

As it is, me posting under the "Marell Cook" name will set him off yet again. He seems to have some paranoia that I'm stalking him.

2012 Geos brochures available:

http://www.geosboston.com/download_brochure

The adult brochure really is a ripper. Streets ahead of anything you've ever seen from this company before. Not a cheap production/presentation atall.

Brochure claims of a 31 school chain...including "newies" in Devon, Malta and - believe it or not - Miami. The global halo is there.

Schools are being showcased as "Geos Language Plus" and a second logo refers to "SC". French is also being emphasised as an available product.

The brochure sense is of new people with some marketing brains being around the outfit....ya know, they might make it after all!

“Practice what you preach. One of the reasons these boards get clogged up with meaningless crap is you telling everyone not to reply to troll posts even though that's exactly what you're doing yourself”

Your realise the above is the same as asking the mad person if you are sane don’t you Mr X?

The weirdo behind all these posts is obsessed with having the last word on anything and everything and has a acute allergic reaction to being disagreed with or put in its spot.

It doesn’t realise it is a troll and a stalker as astonishing as that may seem. It’s been doing this bullshit for years on end following people from one site to the other. One could write a documentary on it. It’s really weird stuff.

That is why in various sites many of the monikers it hides behind ultimately get banned including this site I understand.

It’s got a history of reporting people who know what it is which really isn’t that difficult, and who don’t hide that fact to what it deems are higher authorities and by embarrassingly appealing to site owners or moderators to intervene while crapping all over what ever place is decides to reside in for a while with it’s usual balderdash and that’s why it usually ends up getting booted itself despite the fact it calls for the scalp of others.

This tantrum throwing child just wants to be patted on the head to be given loving nods of approval and to be told it is a good little boy or girl and that it has got “it” right whatever that may be.

Could not agree more with your comment that this thread has outlived its usefulness but only agree to an extent with your registered users comments. I think the most useful tool to be employed would be one which bans the IP addresses of well known trouble makers like the Mackorello troll but I am sure then it would simply find a way of posting under fake IP addresses or would simply post from some other computer in the place where it lives and is perhaps kept.

It will be here forever I tend to think.

My view is until a way if found of universally blocking its access then it is going to be a matter of just having to put up it.

Even not taking a blind bit of notice of it has never worked.

Now this is getting interesting. Brochure referred to by poster at 11:36 is hosted on the SprachCaffe web. SprachCaffe likely reflects the SC logo on the new Geos brochure.

SprachCaffe?
"Sprachcaffe Sprachreisen is an organizer of language courses and holidays which has been in operation since 1983. Today, the company has 23 language schools around the world and offers excellent language courses in the following languages: English, Spanish, French, Italian, German, Chinese and Arabic."

The Frankfurt based company promotes its programs under the banner "Sprachcaffe Languages Plus".

Any ifo around?

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